xmen510
Emperor
We renamed the Academy the "Sage's Library" earlier. Did you want me to rename it agian?
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We renamed the Academy the "Sage's Library" earlier. Did you want me to rename it agian?
xmen510
Emperor
Another Idea:
Post Office (+1 or +2 Beakers, -10% war weariness, +25% trade-commerce)
I added the 1/2 Beakers to the Post Office, because you would be able to spread out and share the knowledge more quickly, easier to keep up on research happening elsewehere type of thing.
Also, do we like the name "Drydocks" or should it be shomething else, like "Shipyard" or some other name?
Post Office (+1 or +2 Beakers, -10% war weariness, +25% trade-commerce)
I added the 1/2 Beakers to the Post Office, because you would be able to spread out and share the knowledge more quickly, easier to keep up on research happening elsewehere type of thing.
Also, do we like the name "Drydocks" or should it be shomething else, like "Shipyard" or some other name?
Berenthor
King
I like the name shipyards or docks better. It shounds better for the mod context than drydock. I actually posted something like a shipyard as a building only the shipmaster civs (Teleri & Numenor) should get so maybe call the original one docks and than shipyards for these two civs as a better building that adds something (but not an upgrade for the original one). To get back to the fortifications, the total is good now I think. I don't even know what it is in FFH or BtS in total. Maybe we can make this into three paths for defenses for a city:
- pallisade --> walls --> fortified walls
- castle --> fortress --> stronghold (castle still needs walls)
- wooden tower --> stone tower (--> watch tower)
xmen510
Emperor
Training Field
Archery Range
Stables
Siege Workshop
Drydocks
We still have to decide what to do with the above Buildings. It was suggested that they be required to build certain units (I agree) and that they possible give a free promotion to those units (I like this idea instead of giving said units Bonus XP).
Archery Range
Stables
Siege Workshop
Drydocks
We still have to decide what to do with the above Buildings. It was suggested that they be required to build certain units (I agree) and that they possible give a free promotion to those units (I like this idea instead of giving said units Bonus XP).
xmen510
Emperor
I like these ideas. I also like that the Stonghold & Fortified Walls are only Buildable with those Civs with Advanced Contruction and the Watchtower by Arnor. It makes them more like the Books.
Berenthor
King
I don't like the free promo idea, I think xp would work better (balance wise, but maybe that is just me). I think we can keep them to be required to be able to produce the units. I would really rename the drydock to docks. It sounds more middle earthy (or medieval) and we can use the shipyard for something more specific for these seafaring civs (Teleri and Numenor).
xmen510
Emperor
I will rename the Drydocks to Docks now. I am fine with just giving +2 XP to each building in respect to what they can build.
Berenthor
King
I'm also not really sure though. If we make them prerequisite to building certain units like in FFH, than maybe the xp bonus is not even needed. You have to build them anyway. But I'm not sure about this aspect. We can also only give XP without having it as prerequisite to building units or we can do both.
xmen510
Emperor
I am also adding in the Watch Tower. What did you think of my bonuses however.
That will change now with the new WSatch Tower it will look like this:
Palisade (+5% city defense)
Walls (+10% city defense)
Castle (+15% city defense)
Fortress (+20% city defense)
Stronghold (+25% city defense, -10% collateral damage, -10% city maintenance cost, -1 War Weariness) (Gondor only)
Fortified Wall (+15% city defense) (Numenor/Gondor/Arnor only)
Wooden Tower (+5% defense)
Stone Tower (+10% city defense, defense bonus for ranged units.)
Watch Tower: (+15% City Defence, See invisible units?, +1 or +2 Tile Visiblity from city radius?) (Arnor only)
Total City Defence: Numenor: +80% / Gondor: +105% / Arnor: +95% / Everyone Else: +65%
What do you think?
That will change now with the new WSatch Tower it will look like this:
Palisade (+5% city defense)
Walls (+10% city defense)
Castle (+15% city defense)
Fortress (+20% city defense)
Stronghold (+25% city defense, -10% collateral damage, -10% city maintenance cost, -1 War Weariness) (Gondor only)
Fortified Wall (+15% city defense) (Numenor/Gondor/Arnor only)
Wooden Tower (+5% defense)
Stone Tower (+10% city defense, defense bonus for ranged units.)
Watch Tower: (+15% City Defence, See invisible units?, +1 or +2 Tile Visiblity from city radius?) (Arnor only)
Total City Defence: Numenor: +80% / Gondor: +105% / Arnor: +95% / Everyone Else: +65%
What do you think?
xmen510
Emperor
We don't have to allow XP from Military Buildings. Perhaps we only give XP with the buildings for Unique Units? To make them more special, but the standard buildings don't give it.
Berenthor
King
I like it (maybe remove the 120 to avoid confusion 
I had to count myself to see what you meant by that). I actually for the watchtower meant that the city itself maybe has a larger line of sight and maybe can see hidden or invisible units (depending if we have them) but this might also be a possibility although not really related (units in the field don't see more only because they are build in a city with a watchtower). Maybe to make Arnor also a little more beefed add the fortified wall for them as well? But than we might have to give them the first construction tech to. I'm not sure. Maybe limit the stronghold only to Gondor because Numenor has the ships already?
I had to count myself to see what you meant by that). I actually for the watchtower meant that the city itself maybe has a larger line of sight and maybe can see hidden or invisible units (depending if we have them) but this might also be a possibility although not really related (units in the field don't see more only because they are build in a city with a watchtower). Maybe to make Arnor also a little more beefed add the fortified wall for them as well? But than we might have to give them the first construction tech to. I'm not sure. Maybe limit the stronghold only to Gondor because Numenor has the ships already?
xmen510
Emperor
Updated with your Suggestions!
No, please don't. My mistake
Beakers for Post Office makes sense. Please rename Drydocks to Docks, it's more accurate. As Berenthor said, Shipyard can be used for seafaring civs.
I would have them as a prereq for building the units, without adding xp (xp can be gained plentyfull through other ways).
Looks good. Keep in mind though that Isengard needs it defenses beefed up as well, but that might be done through other ways.
xmen510
Emperor
The Orthanc Wonder that only Isengard can build say, would be able to give a pretty good City Defence Bonus as Well. Perhaps a National Wonder for them as well called the "Ring Of Isengard" to represent the walls. We can deffinately come up with stuff.
Berenthor
King
I like the ring of Isengard the best for walls. Maybe Orthanc just as the palace instead of a wonder which already provides defense? Or would this be overpowered for the early game?
I think were pretty far now on the building list like this. Good updates, that is exactly as I meant it. Definetly keep the post office in.
I think were pretty far now on the building list like this. Good updates, that is exactly as I meant it. Definetly keep the post office in
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xmen510
Emperor
As long as the "Orthanc Palace" doesn't go overboard with the bonus then it would be good. This way it gives Isengard a slightly better chance of surviving into the later game. Perhaps the "Orthanc Palace" grants a +10% City Defence Bonus.
Also, another thing to consider is, perhaps making the Palace a Building that you do not start off with for free (this would apply to everyone). You have to build it.
Also, another thing to consider is, perhaps making the Palace a Building that you do not start off with for free (this would apply to everyone). You have to build it.
Berenthor
King
That might be a nice idea indeed. But maybe in the early time, it will take a long time to build it or we have to make sure it is not to expensive.
xmen510
Emperor
We could also give the King unit an ability that say doubles the Production Speed of a Palace if it is currently in the City (sort of like a resource).
Berenthor
King
That is a nice idea. This way you have to choose between staying and building your palace or going off with your king unit to conquer or scout or something. We have to see how easy this is to do however.
Indeed, Ring of Isengard for walls and the Palace as extra defense.I like the ring of Isengard the best for walls. Maybe Orthanc just as the palace instead of a wonder which already provides defense? Or would this be overpowered for the early game?
I think were pretty far now on the building list like this. Good updates, that is exactly as I meant it. Definetly keep the post office in
I like this, but it will slow down early research enormously.
It also raises some questions: When can you build the palace? With Stoneworking?
I would have the king unit triple the production speed, maybe even quadrupple it. Is it possible for a civ not to have a capital? I think it is at least possible not to have a palace (can be disabled in the xml, but I would have to check whether the tag has a minOccurence).
Maybe have a palace to start with and have the possibility to replace it with a better one? Not sure whether that is possible without modding (you can have only the palace or the upgraded one, not both)
