Bz3 - Always War Crusade

[NewDestroyer]

yea 1, try to get us another worker to help improve shield production in cities. use the 1st worker to connect cities. try to found 2 more towns too. and check the city comparison w/ korea too. oh and ive found this very effective, put an archer in as many cities as possible, put it on sentry as soon as an archer comes to the city atatck the archer w/ ur archer. this disables the archers 2 attack to 1 defense. oh 1 more thing, lets try to get a spearmen into korea's territory to pillage stuff and capture workers to keep thier forces in korea, so it will give us some breathing room to expand.

 

[betazed]

Here is the situation as it is for all to see.

 

[betazed]

I think we should tie in our SW flank. Move those warriors back. We do not want to meet another civ just as yet.

(a) Bring the warrior close to us on the SW back.
(b) Move the warrior SW farther from us into the Korean territory. DO not attack just run crcles around them so that they are distracted and their forces head back into their territory.
(c) Try to get a city around the white spot and the blue spot - These are not exact locations, just pointers, (actually one square N of blue spot is better, IMO, so is one square NE of white spot.)
(d) We can get a few workers out of capital. This is such food rich that it is almost next to impossible to hold it below 7. So changing that spear to a worker may not be a bad idea.

Jut my 2 cents.

 

[LKendter]

Lurker comment from someone who has played multiple AW games. The unit in the red circle has gone to far! Contact in AW is the last thing you want.

You do need to keep one city on Settlers. You must keep expanding in AW.


I agree with Betazed - get another worker. If all your cities are 3 apart without rivers in the way, then defense is much each when you can shift between towns.

 

[NewDestroyer]

be careful not to wander too far out, we want to expand as much as possible w/o more then 1 civ after us.

 

[Earp]

Originally posted by NewDestroyer
put an archer in as many cities as possible, put it on sentry as soon as an archer comes to the city attack the archer w/ ur archer. this disables the archers 2 attack to 1 defense.

I was hoping we would not need archers and could counterattack with horsemen and swordsmen. It appears that iron may be scarce and we may not be able to build swordsmen anytime soon. I think we should research The Wheel and HBR asap and build horsemen instead of archers. Horsemen have several advantages over archers such as upgradability to our UU, greater movement rates, and the ability to retreat.

Originally posted by NewDestroyer
lets try to get a spearmen into korea's territory to pillage stuff and capture workers to keep thier forces in korea, so it will give us some breathing room to expand.

I disagree. I think Korea will quickly destroy anything we send towards them. I think we should concentrate on defense and expanding. I think spears will be better served defending our towns.

Originally posted by betazed
We can get a few workers out of capital. This is such food rich that it is almost next to impossible to hold it below 7. So changing that spear to a worker may not be a bad idea.

I think we should use Beijing to produce settlers only. It is the perfect settler factory. It will produce a settler for us every four turns. Our other cities can be used to produce workers and troops.

Originally posted by Lkendter
You do need to keep one city on Settlers. You must keep expanding in AW.

I agree with Betazed - get another worker. If all your cities are 3 apart without rivers in the way, then defense is much each when you can shift between towns.

Thanks for the advice LKendter. I agree that we need a city producing only settlers. I also agree about needing more workers and built a couple more during my turns. IMO, we can never have too many workers.

I have finished my turns. Report coming…

 

[Earp]

0 - 1650
Switch Shanghai to worker
Switch Beijing to Settler. Beijing should produce nothing but settlers until we have expanded all we can expand.
Switch Canton to Walls
Switch Nanking to Worker
Here is Korea's situation. They have five cities to our four. And our start position is +5 food per turn! They already have writing, but they do not have contact with anyone other than us.

1 - 1625
Canton Walls --> Barracks

2 - 1600
We spot 4 Korean archers and a warrior.

IBT An archer takes out our warrior on the mountain.

3 - 1575
Beijing Settler --> Settler
Shaghai Worker --> Spearman

4 - 1550
Nanking Worker --> Worker

5 - 1525


6 - 1500


7 - 1475
Beijing Settler --> Settler
Tsingtao founded. Set initial build to barracks.

8 - 1450
Canton Barracks --> Spear
Three archers appear out of fog near Shanghai. I should have built walls before the spearman. I send a warrior from Beijing and a warrior from Canton. Too bad we don't have any spearmen.

9 - 1425
Nanking Worker --> Barracks
We have four warriors in Shanghai. There are three Korean archers that will attack IBT and a warrior and archer one tile away. As NewDestroyer pointed out, archers have an attack str of 2 and a defense str of only 1. I decide to attack their stack instead of sitting in the city.
Reg Warrior vs Reg Archer. We take one hp off Archer and die.
Reg Warrior vs Reg Archer. We redline Archer and die. I think this redlined archer will not attack us.
Reg Warrior vs Reg Archer. We lose one hp and kill Archer.
Korea now has a 1/3 archer and a 2/3 archer outside of Shanghai. We have a 3/3 warrior and a 2/3 warrior for defense. Our spearman is due next turn.
Reg Warrior leaves Canton on his way to Shanghai. I hope it's not too late.

IBT A 2/3 archer redlines and kills a 3/3 warrior in Shanghai. The redlined archer moves away.

10 - 1400
Shanghai Spearman --> Walls
Here is the Shanghai situation.
We have a 4/4 spearman and a 2/3 warrior fortified for defense. A 3/3 warrior can be moved in and fortified this turn or he can go after the redlined archer.
The Koreans have a 3/3 archer, a 3/3 warrior, and a 1/3 archer next to Shanghai. They have a 3/3 warrior coming as reinforcements. Personally, I would try to take out the redlined archer. I think the fortified vet spear can defend Shanghai, but it may be too close for comfort.
I am using the vet warrior on the mountain as a scout to know what Korean forces are approaching and where they are headed. I had another vet warrior stationed on a mountain, but he is on his way home right now.

We have a settler to move next to Tsingtao. He can continue SE or move N to settle next to some dyes. I am going to see what others think and not move the settler this turn.

Here is another look at Korea. They are up to eight cities, still do not have contact with anyone else and do not have any new techs.

I am working on a dotmap and some thoughts that I will post asap.

The SAVE

 

[Earp]

We will finish Writing this turn. I think we should research towards horsemen before researching IW. We know that iron is going to be scarce and we will be able to use the techs to produce horsemen sooner that we will be able to make use of IW. I think we need to start research at max. I have a feeling that we are falling way behind in the tech race. We might want to go for Lit(and the GL) after we get HBR(before IW).

Here is another dotmap. The settler can move to either red or blue dot. I think the red dot is better. The luxury will help and it will not be a frontline city. I was trying to found blue dot on the coast.
The red lines will be frontline cities as we expand towards Korea. I think these cities should produce walls --> barracks --> military.

 

[betazed]

I got it. I will probably play a little tomorrow morning and finish by tomorrow night, latest.

 

[betazed]

Executive summary : We have not lost a single troop. We have found three cities. Dye have been connected. We have learned Wheel and are 2 turns into HBR. Our frontline against Korea has moved forward.

1400 (Inherited turn) - Reg warrior takes out Korean archer.

IT: Korean archer impales himself on our spear. Writing finished, start wheel in 11 turns at -3/turn. Archers move out of our territory to heal. I do not pursue.

1375 : Beijing Settler -> Spear. We have too many unprotected settlers.

1350 : Xinjian formed. Starts on walls. This is a frontline city.

IT: Korean archer moves in

1275: Korean archer impales against our spear promoting him to vet.

1250 : Regular warrior kills Korean archer. No more Korean troops in our land. Chengdu formed.

1200: zzz

1175 : zzz

1500 : Wheel -> HBR. We have two horses in our territory. None of them are connected yet. However, workers are finishing tasks near them. Next player should have ample time to connect them. HBR in 10 turns.

1125 : Dyes connected. Reduce lux a mite. HBR now in 8 turns. Keep close eyes on the lux.

1100 : Hangchow formed. Korean lone archer moves in near Hangchow. This is our new frontline city.

Here's the hot potato

 

[betazed]

@Snap: You are up.

(a) Connect the horses the moment the worker near Chengdu finishes his current task.

(b) There is a settler near Beijing. Moving towards west of Hangchow. IMO, we should settle him on top of the forest west of the fortified warrior. What does everybody think?

(c) There is an elite spear beside our capital. He should be brough to the frontline cities. There is a 1/32 chance that we will win a leader thru him if we make him fight and defend.

I think Korea has very bad terrain. Hence the low intensity of his attacks. Also they are not that far ahead in tech. They are only up mapmaking now. Thus, things are not looking that bad.

 

[Snaproll]

I see it, but I'm at work so I can't download and play until tonight.

What do you guys think about trying to make another contact, to lower tech prices and gain another chance to trade? We could send a warrior out past the Koreans (maybe). I know that in general we don't want more contacts, but it might help us to keep from falling too far behind in tech?

 

[Earp]

Korea is up map making and IW and has nine cities to our eight. I dread the thought of him sending stacks of Swordsmen at us.

I still think we should be building only settlers in Beijing. Everyone should be able to found 2 or 3 cities during their turn. Our other seven cities should be able to provide troops and workers. If we don't have troops available to guard the settlers, found cities in our backyard. We should be able to found 2 or 3 cities up there. Found these cities on the coast so that we will be able to build galleys.

If given the choice between expanding SE or SW, I think we should expand SW towards the mountains. That is where we will find Iron.

I would found our next city N of the fortified warrior. The city will have lots of ovrelap, but will be able to work the cow. If we found the city on red dot, the cow will be lost forever. Do you all think it is better to have more overlap and be able to work the cow, or have less overlap?

 

[Earp]

Originally posted by Snaproll
What do you guys think about trying to make another contact, to lower tech prices and gain another chance to trade? We could send a warrior out past the Koreans (maybe). I know that in general we don't want more contacts, but it might help us to keep from falling too far behind in tech?

I thought about this. That is why I was checking to see if Korea had made contact with anyone else. I think that Korea and us may be alone on this continent and that Korea may take care of us pretty soon.

We may need to build Galleys to make contact and I wouldn't put a very high priority on that right now.

 

[betazed]

Originally posted by Earp
I thought about this. That is why I was checking to see if Korea had made contact with anyone else. I think that Korea and us may be alone on this continent and that Korea may take care of us pretty soon.

You think Korea will be able to take us out pretty soon?

If they have IW then they must have got it in the last turn since i have been checking their techs almost every turn. So it will be sometime before they can send a stack of swords. And by that time we will have horses ready.

Horses attack = Swords defense. Plus horses retreat. So we will be able to hold off. I think our position is good. We only have to defend one civ from one side only.

As for us and Korea being alone on this continent - that is both good and bad news. Good because once we have wiped out Korea we have a pretty solid position over here. Two that would mean that we will have to wage most of our Rider wars off shore. Not an easy scenario.

Of course, job right now is to survive till the riders.

EDIT: I also agree blue spot is better than the red spot.

 

[Earp]

The next twenty to thirty turns are going to be very important. Whether we win or lose depends on how well we defend against the swordsmen Korea is going to send.

HBR is done in 7 turns. What should we research next? IW, Math, Lit? If Lit is less than 40 turns, I would go for that at max. Otherwise, I would seriously consider math before IW. Catapults will benefit us greater than being able to see Iron.

 

[NewDestroyer]

give me 20 men and 20 horses and i will personally go to seoul and "dispose" of this korean menace

 

[betazed]

Originally posted by Earp


HBR is done in 7 turns. What should we research next? IW, Math, Lit? If Lit is less than 40 turns, I would go for that at max. Otherwise, I would seriously consider math before IW. Catapults will benefit us greater than being able to see Iron.

Yes we need Math but I think we should go for Lit. There are two reasons for this.

(a) If we get a great leader by luck we should be able to use it. IMO, TGL increases our probability of winning vastly.

(b) Even if we do not get the TGl we need to build those libraries to help us in our research since we will be self researching. It would be nice if we could build a library in the capital and a few other productive cities. (Although at this time I have no idea when and how that will be done.)

(c) Lastly, there is a chance that we will make another contact and may get lucky and get IW.


After Lit we can go for IW.

 

[betazed]

Originally posted by NewDestroyer
give me 20 men and 20 horses and i will personally go to seoul and "dispose" of this korean menace

I would be very happy to see you do that. But it will be some time before we have 20 men (do you mean warriors) and 20 horses.

 

[Earp]

Originally posted by NewDestroyer
give me 20 men and 20 horses and i will personally go to seoul and "dispose" of this korean menace

NewDestroyer, it sounds like you play with a similar style to betazed and myself. My space and diplomatic victories are few and far between. While I would like nothing better than to bloody some Korean noses right now, I think we would be better served by waiting until we can overrun the weak and pathetic Korean civilization with a horde of Chinese Riders.