C2C - Galactic Era

[Galacticat42]

@AIAndy
Indeed, I already thought of most of this stuff and came to the conclusion that you did. As Hydro quoted on the first page from the other thread, Ion Propulsion is roughly 600km/s and is only a solar system propulsion. VASIMR is 900km/s but would take roughly 8 to 10 turns per tile in the galactic map to reach Alpha Centauri. However, once Nuclear Pulse Propulsion is discovered which moves at 15,000km/s (roughly one diameter of earth per second), deep space probes would become more prevalent at 4 to 5 turns per tile. Eventually there'll be antimatter rockets moving at 100,000 km/s (1/3 the speed of light) and that would be 1 tile per turn. Finally reaching Neutrino Oscillation Pulse at 9,000 terrameters per second, but due to the curvature of spacetime will actually be moving somewhere up in .999~ speed of light with the requirement of a blackhole, quantum computers with accuracy down to the attometer through a distorted spacetime field, and of course some badass test subjects willing to sacrifice themselves in the name of science (you monster).

Although these velocities really mean nothing in the vacuum of space, they are the cruising speeds in perspective to space debris and the optimal velocity between speed and the ability to evade debris.

 

[ls612]

@AIAndy
Indeed, I already thought of most of this stuff and came to the conclusion that you did. As Hydro quoted on the first page from the other thread, Ion Propulsion is roughly 600km/s and is only a solar system propulsion. VASIMR is 900km/s but would take roughly 8 to 10 turns per tile in the galactic map to reach Alpha Centauri. However, once Nuclear Pulse Propulsion is discovered which moves at 15,000km/s (roughly one diameter of earth per second), deep space probes would become more prevalent at 4 to 5 turns per tile. Eventually there'll be antimatter rockets moving at 100,000 km/s (1/3 the speed of light) and that would be 1 tile per turn. Finally reaching Neutrino Oscillation Pulse at 9,000 terrameters per second, but due to the curvature of spacetime will actually be moving somewhere up in .999~ speed of light with the requirement of a blackhole, quantum computers with accuracy down to the attometer through a distorted spacetime field, and of course some badass test subjects willing to sacrifice themselves in the name of science (you monster).

Although these velocities really mean nothing in the vacuum of space, they are the cruising speeds in perspective to space debris and the optimal velocity between speed and the ability to evade debris.

Eventually to get anywhere on the Galactic Map you will need to have either space-folding, wormholes, or some other method of getting from point A to point B faster than the speed of light from an outsider's perspective. However, in the beginning sendign unmanned probes with pulse-propulsion should be fine for exploring the very near stars should be fine.

There should really be no issue with the debris in interstellar space, so long as you aren't flying through a nebula. On average, there is about one atom for every cubic meter in deep space, so that should not cause any serious problems for an advanced civilization.

 

[Daedwartin]

Eventually to get anywhere on the Galactic Map you will need to have either space-folding, wormholes, or some other method of getting from point A to point B faster than the speed of light from an outsider's perspective. However, in the beginning sendign unmanned probes with pulse-propulsion should be fine for exploring the very near stars should be fine.

There should really be no issue with the debris in interstellar space, so long as you aren't flying through a nebula. On average, there is about one atom for every cubic meter in deep space, so that should not cause any serious problems for an advanced civilization.

granted, when you do collide with debris, your day is going to SUCK. interstellar probes are not going to be cheap to begin with. in RL, they be multi-trillion dollar projects. speaking of which, there's a new event for you:

Probe/Spaceship collides at relativistic speeds collides with pebble.

Probe/Spaceship totaled (throw anything with mass with enough energy, just hitting something will create a explosion equal to that of a nuclear weapon. at relativistic speeds, hitting a pebble would likely be sufficient to end a voyage real quick or at least complicate things greatly. granted, a advanced enough civ would be able to just vaporize it with its shields, but what about a civ whos just started traveling around between the stars. they cant afford as much protection for theirs.

 

[Galacticat42]

@Is612
The last line of my last post is in reference to perspectives. To the people on the ship, they're standing still while things are moving past them and like Daedwartin pointed out, you don't want to collide with ANYTHING.

 

[rightfuture]

(edited)
The Extra Mod by Chiyu, incorporated many technologies, and units possible from a good bit of the official civilization scenarios and expansions including Final Frontier (all the galactic units and techs). For those interested, some of it probably could be ported to C2C relatively easily. It's possible that some of the technologies for other eras were not incorporated into C2C. It really is a well made mod. I recommend looking it over.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=234906

Extra is a mod that that combines a lot of material from various official Firaxis mods (including Civ4 - Colonization) into one, big playable package. The majority of the content comes from the following mods: Warlords' Chinese Unification, Warlords' Peleponessian War, Warlords' Alexander the Great, BtS' Charlemagne's Wars, BtS' Next War, BtS' Final Frontier, BtS' Road to War and of course Colonization.

Technologies
- Biological Warfare, from Next War (BtS)
- Shielding, from Next War (BtS)
- Cloning, from Next War (BtS)
- Bionics, from Next War (BtS)
- Cold Fusion, from Next War (BtS)
- Cybernetics, from Next War (BtS)
- Advanced Shielding, from Next War (BtS)
- Advanced Sailing, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords)
- Improved Formations, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords)
- Crop Rotation, from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Stirrups, from Alexander's Conquests (Warlords)
- Astrogation, from Next War (BtS)
- Bowyers, from FfH: Age of Ice (BtS)
- Chivalry, from Charlemagne's Wars (BtS) *also known as Courtly Manners
- Desert Subsistence, from Genghis Khan (Warlords)
- Elephant Domestication, from Genghis Khan (Warlords)

- Quantum Control, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Orbital Engineering, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Squadron Focus, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Capital Ship Focus, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Nano-Construction, from Final Frontier (BtS) *also known as Advanced Nanite Construction
- Alloy Frames, from Final Frontier (BtS) *also known as Alloy Frame Construction
- Smart Weapons, from Final Frontier (BtS) *also known as Fusion Cannon
- Artificial Intelligence, from Final Frontier (BtS) *also known as Intuitive Computers
- Planet Colonization, from Final Frontier (BtS) *also known as Galactic Domination
- Terraforming
- Antigravity
- Antimatter
- Mutability


Units
- Biological Warfare Missile, from Next War (BtS)
- Clones, from Next War (BtS)
- Automatons, from Next War (BtS)
- Dreadnought, from Next War (BtS)
- Cyborg, from Next War (BtS)
- Assault Mech, from Next War (BtS)

- Colony Ship, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Alpha Cruiser, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Alpha Battleship, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Alpha Carrier, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Fighter Squadron, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Bomber Squadron, from Final Frontier (BtS)
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- Future Gunship, from Final Frontier (BtS)

- Construction Ship, from Final Frontier (BtS) *now as an antigravity unit
- Invasion Ship, from Final Frontier (BtS) *now as an antigravity unit
- Alpha Destroyer, from Final Frontier (BtS) *now as an antigravity unit
- Defense Ship, from Final Frontier (BtS) *now as an antigravity unit
- Starbase, from Final Frontier (BtS) *now as an antigravity unit
- Antimatter Bomb, from Final Frontier (BtS) *renamed from Anti-Ship Missile
- Mutant, from Afterworld (BtS)
- Supermutant, from Afterworld (BtS)
- Sentinel, from Afterworld (BtS)

Promotions

- Upgraded Engines, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Improved Engines, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Advanced Engines, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Upgraded Storage Bay, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Improved Storage Bay, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Advanced Storage Bay, from Final Frontier (BtS)

- Tracking Equipment, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Assault Munitions, from Final Frontier (BtS)

- Upgraded Armor, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Improved Armor, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Advanced Armor, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Repair Facilities, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Capital Ship Tactics, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Squadron Tactics, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Antigravity Tactics


Buildings
- Biological Warfare Lab, from Next War (BtS)
- Arcology, from Next War (BtS)
- Arcology Shielding, from Next War (BtS)
- Advanced Shielding, from Next War (BtS)
- Cloning Factory, from Next War (BtS)
- Mind Control Center, from Next War (BtS)

- Capital Shipyard, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Squadron Factory, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Nutrition Facility, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Mining Plant, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Stardock, from Final Frontier (BtS)
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- Training Compound, from Final Frontier (BtS) *also known as School of Zealots
- Commercial Satellites, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Particle Accelerator
- Antimatter Plant


National Wonders
- Centers for Disease Control, from Next War (BtS)
- Trading Company, from Rhye's and Fall of Civilization (BtS)
- High Walls, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords)
- Squadron Defense Network, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Olympic Park, from Rhye's and Fall of Civilization (BtS)


World Wonders

- Wembley, from Rhye's and Fall of Civilization (BtS)

- Reichstag, from The Road to War (BtS)
- Big Ben, from The Road to War (BtS)
- Torii, from The Road to War (BtS)
- White House, from Road to War (BtS)
- Channel Tunnel, from Rhye's and Fall (BtS)
- Mission to Mars, from Next War (BtS)

- Trade Fair of Troyes, from CivRev
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- Himeji Samurai Castle, from CivRev
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- The Silk Road, from CivII *originally known as "Marco Polo's Embassy"
- World Bank, from CivRev
- Tower of Babel, from CivRev
- Sydney Opera Hall, from CivRev
- The Sphinx, from CivRev
- Magellan's Expedition, from CivII
- Arc de Triomphe, from Road to War (BtS)
- The School of Confucius, from CivRev
- Brandenburg Gate, from CiV
- Circus Maximus, from CiV
- The Louvre, from CiV
- Machu Picchu, from CiV

Bonuses
- Olives, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords)
- Cotton, from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Tea, from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Salt, from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Hit Football Event, from Rhye's and Fall of Civilization (BtS)
- Hemp, from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Citrus, from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Jade, from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Titanium, from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Tobacco, from Civ4 - Colonization
- Bison, from CivII
- Rubber, from CivIII
- Pearls, from CiV

Improvements
- Olive Press, from Peloponnesian War (Warlords)
- Lodge, from Civ4 - Colonization

Civics
- Absolutism (Government), from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Judicial (Legal), from The Road to War (BtS)
- Barter Economy (Economy), from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Shamanism (Religion), from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Authoritarian (Legal), from Road to War (BtS)
- Technocracy (Government), from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Mechanized Workforce (Labour), from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Industrialism (Economy), from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Animism (Religion), from Chinese Unification (warlords) *renamed from Daoism
- Militia (Military), from Chinese Unification (Warlords) *Military is a new civic group
- Feudal Levy (Military), from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Capital Ship Doctrine (Military), from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Squadron Doctrine (Military), from Final Frontier (BtS)
- Meritocracy (Labor), from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Professional Army (Military), from Chinese Unification (Warlords)
- Fundamentalism (Religion), CivII *included to support the Fanatic unit
- Suzerainty (Legal), N/A *included to replace Legalism, because Legalism was plain weird

Traits
- Agricultural, adapted from CivIII
- Scientific, adapted from CivIII
- Seafaring, adapted from CivIII
- Diplomatic, included to enable more combinations
- Nomadic, included to enable more combinations

Much of this isn't useful for the Galactic Era, but the Final Frontier parts are.

 

[GiuseppeIII]

Wait so is this how space travel will work in the game? You launch a spaceship first on Earth. Then the spaceship goes into a space terrain like place from there it can reach a planet. Once it is hovering over the planet you get the option do you want to go into this planet. If you select yes you go into the planet. If this is how it will work my only question is how can you decide where you want to land in the planet?
Sorry for the long post

 

[Hydromancerx]

@rightfuture

We already have a lot of that alreay in C2C. Especially the techs (ex. Biological Warfare, Shielding, Stirrups, Crop Rotation, Elephant Domestication, etc).

 

[Azurian]

New Weapons Types (60% done)
Weapon Guide Here:
http://okim.nickersonm.com/sots/manual.html

different Armor and Hull sizes protect against different weapons. Rock paper scissor style. Like copper---->bronze, this weapons "promote"There are more types to be added.

Space Warfare will be "rock,papaer,scissor" Strategic.

"Think of Pokemon..water beats fire, but fire beats grass, grass beats water

Based on:
*Weapon class
*Hull Size
*Armor class
*Strength

Blaster Category
Good Against: Ships with Light hulls (Fighters, Colony ships and Bombers), Scout Hulls, Land Forces, Miniature hulls

Description: Mostly used by small orbital defences , carrier fighters, and Space marines. Ineffective on larger hulls but excellent on light hulls class ships, and especially against land infantry, scout ships, and colony arks. Really ineffective against most Hull sizes. Traditionally blasters are assigned to the fastest and smallest ships in a Fleet, that have strict weight requirements, and cannot carry live ammunition.

Bad Against Ships with Heavy, Cargo, Construction, Battleship, Destroyer, CoCarrier, Station, Guardian, Command. Fortress, mothership, Gargantuan, Capital, Titan, Demolition, Infiltrator and Predator Hulls
Normal: corvette
No Effect Against: Crystalline Class Armor, Nanite Class Armor

Low powered blasters (Nano)---->
Chaingun Blasters (Mid Solar) -->
Fusion Blasters (early InterStellar)-->
Antimater blasters (late InterStellar)-->
Neutron Blasters (Mid Galactic)


Digital
Interceptor Missiles
Burst Cannon
Mass Drivers
Plasmathrower
plasma, fusion torpedoes

Cyber
Intelligent Mines (explosive bugbots , bio bugbots , fusion bugbots)
Binary Sin (genengineered biological warfare)
Plasma Burst cannon
Multi Warhead Missles (fusion , electromagnetic)
Turreted massdrivers (barrage, battlebridge , assault)
Missle Bullets (large missiles (kinetic, cluster)



Nano
large cluster missiles (acid, nanites)
particle cannon
light emitter
Binary D.A.R.K
Photonic Torpedos
Low Powered blasters
Laser Cannons
Light Energy Lance
pulse particle cannon
plasma, fusion, electromagnetic detonating (high explosive) torpedoes

Solar
Spinal mounts
Binary d.A.r.K
leaping mine.
particle accelerator cannon
thunderbolt emitter
Sniper Artillery
Proton Torpedoes
Autofire Blasters
plasma sppitter
Implosion Mines
dumb fire rocket Swarm
Ion Cannon
Mesonic torpedoes
Fusion Beam
assault lasers
energy lance
plasma, fusion, electromagnetic ball torpedoes.

Interstellar
tractor beam
Fusion blasters
disruptor torpedoes
plasma beam
neutronium rounds
Gravity Mine
Graviton Beam
qvuantum torpedo
neutron beam
positron beam
heavy fission beam
siege laser
heavy energy lance
thunderstorm emitter
ion-beam accelerator.
neutron blaster


Galactic
point-defence laser.
pulsed graviton beam.
antimatter blaster
lancer
plasma annihilator
meson projector
anti-matter torpedoes.
pulsar torpedo

Dimension
polaryzed plasmatics.
stellar converter
desintegrator beam
deathray.
inertial cannon.

 

[Azurian]

Hull Types
*Not all Hull Types are avaliable at start, most are unlocked by new techs

Miniature -(shuttle pods, passenger ships, orbital police crafts)
Light- (Fighters and bombers)
Heavy- (heavy armored fighters, heavy armored bombers, raiders, assault ships)

Cargo -(merchant ships, cargo ships, asteroid miners, ore ships )
Construction (Constructor Ships, Medical Ships, advance parts manufacturing ship)
Tanker (Fuel Ships)
Carrier (Carries large squadron of fighters and bombers)

Corvette ([small battleships]
Battleship ( medium size battle spaceships)
Destroyer (large battleships)

Ark (colony ships)

Station (small planetary defences, broadcast stations, artillerly cannons, space outposts)
Guardian (sunbeams, the largest class of planetary defences)

Fortress (space fortresses)
Gargantuan (small moon size fortresses)
Battlestar (largest type of fortress, planet size, largest hull size)


Capital ( capital ships, fleet command - "Sergeants")
Armada ( very large capital ships - "Captains")
Mothership (extremely large capital ship, central command of the fleet "Generals")

Demolition (mine layers, sabotage ships)
Predator (planet invasion ships)
Plaugewinger (plauge and biowarfare ships)

Scout (mineral explorers, scout ships, only class that can do recon)
Infiltrator ( highest class of scout ships, only class that can spy)

Merlin (ships built for speed, low armor)
Icarus ( faster than Merlin)
Pegasus (Fastest ships in the fleet)

 

[Azurian]

Weapon Classes [Digital to Dimension]

Not all are avaliable at start, and some obsolete and promote to new classes.


Small Units Only

Bullet Cannon
-Autoaim Cannon (Digital)
-Calibur Mech (Cyber)
-Bulletstorm Zeppelin (Nano)
- Orbital Bulletstorm (Solar)

Blasters

-Chaingun Blasters (Digital)
-Crimson Blasters (Cyber)
-Spectrum Blasters (Nano)
-Wavelength Blasters (Solar)
-Tachyon blasters (Interstellar)
-Zenith Blasters (Galactic)
-Kronos Blasters (Dimension)

Explosive Round

-Explosive Bullets (Digital)
- Missle Bullet(Cyber)
-Warhead Turret (Nano)
-Swarm Turret (Solar)
-Barrage Turret (Interstellar)
-Crossfire Turret (Galactic)
-SpaceTime Turret (Dimension)

Heavy Bomb
-BugBot Bomb (Digital)
-Detonator Android (Cyber)
-Superprecision Bombcraft (Nano)
-Kamikaze Station (Solar)
-Asteroid Bomb (Interstellar)
-Moon Bomb (Galactic)
Black Hole Generator (Dimension)


All Other Units

Lancer
-Graphene Schimitar (Digital)
-Diamondoid Blade (Cyber)
-Fusion cutter (Nano)
-Terahertz Lance (Solar)
-Antimatter Projector (Interstellar)
-Polarizing Flux Blade (Galactic)
-Directed Spatial Manipulator (Dimension)

Ion
- Ion cannon (Nano)
-Pulsed ion cannon (Solar)
-Ion Cannon Accelerator (Interstellar)
-Ion Containment Beam (Galactic)
-Quasar Lightyearbeam (dimension)

Corrosive
-Armor Rotter (Digital)
-Metal Craver (Cyber)
-Life Extinguisher(Nano)
-Element Destabilizator (Solar)
-Matter Deprogrammer (Galactic)
- Banishment Vortex (Dimension)

Emitters
Spark Emitter (Nano)
Lighting Emitter (Solar)
Thundervolt Emitter (Interstellar)
Thunderstorm Emitter (Galactic)
Nebulastorm Emitter (Dimension)

Muon
-Muon Burst (Solar)
-Meson Radius Projector (Interstellar)
-Mumesic Shieldquake (Galactic)
-Neutrino Atomstorm (Dimension)

Lasers
Light Singular Laser -> Small + Standard.
Medium Singular Laser -> Medium + Standard.
Heavy Singular Laser -> Large + Standard, Projector (Triple), Spinal.
Infinity Singular Laser -> Large + Standard, Projector (Triple), Spinal.
Multiplied Singular Laser -> Large + Projector, Fixed.
Hyperfocused Singular Laser -> Large + Projector, Impactor.
-Charged Laser (Nano)
-Concentrated Phasers (Solar)
- Sunbeam Phaser (Interstellar)
-Superluminal Phaser (Galactic)
-Hypernova Phaser (Dimension)

Plasma
-plasma burst cannon (Digital)
-Plasmoid Blast cannon (Cyber)
- Plasmoid Splitter Projector (Solar)
-Superheated Plasma Beam (Interstellar)
-Plasma annihilator (Galactic)
-Polaryzed Plasmaticwave (Dimension)

Fusion
Fusionthrower (Interstellar)
- Mauler device (Galactic)
-stellar Converter (dimension)

Antimatter

Kinetic

Particle

Neutron

Gravity

Ballistics
Light Railgun -> Small + Standard.
Medium Railgun -> Medium + Standard.
Heavy Railgun -> Large + Standard, Projector (Triple), Spinal.
Gatling Railgun -> Medium + Standard, Spinal.
Barrage Railgun -> Large + Projector, Fixed.
Assault Railgun -> Large + Projector, Impactor.


Massdrivers

Missiles

Mines

Torpedo

Electromagnetic




Special

Nanite

Biological

Mecha Missle

Tracker

Shield Bomb

Superweapon

 

[Azurian]

Okay im done editing hulls and weapon classes.

 

[Galacticat42]

If I didn't know better, I'd say you took quite a few of those hull types from EVE Online.

 

[Azurian]

If I didn't know better, I'd say you took quite a few of those hull types from EVE Online.

Actually AI: Fleet command, star ruler, sins of a solar Empire and Armada 2526 but you are also correct, they are in Eve online. What do you think of the weapon classes..dont worry some will promote to another class.

 

[Galacticat42]

What do I think of the weapon classes? I think we're gunna need to organize them all out before we can make sense of what stays and what goes.

 

[Azurian]

What do I think of the weapon classes? I think we're gunna need to organize them all out before we can make sense of what stays and what goes.

Ill get started, The more you know, the better opinions you can make.

 

[Daedwartin]

Super Weapon idea (should probablely be very-late galactic because first resource cost and effect): planet destroyers.
1 more (i say dimension cus this would be worse. both should be able to be UN banned and require a option in game setup be used that's disabled by default): something like the Sun Crusher (from star wars. it caused supernovas, which happen when the core contracts so quickly it rebounds back and then just flings its upper layers outward, hence its crushing stars. from long range to boot. it used special torpedoes to achieve this, but honestly anything short of a black hole was unable to stop it. yes you could THROW it into a star's core and the only problem it have would be that its located in the core, a not so easy to place for even Jedi to recover something from. it would still be undamaged (inferred because they considered actually storing it in a star. didn't happen because they wanted to make it difficult to use, but still have conceivable chance of pulling it out again. which backfired greatly. )

 

[rightfuture]

@rightfuture

We already have a lot of that alreay in C2C. Especially the techs (ex. Biological Warfare, Shielding, Stirrups, Crop Rotation, Elephant Domestication, etc).

What about the Final Frontier items for the Galactic Era? They have been merged and balanced. Could save some work.
I think Extra still has some good ideas left that haven't been included yet. Chiyu took stuff from Civ V, and many of the official scenarios. Some of tech placement and balancing felt well thought out, maybe there are a few lessons to learn. Have you actually played it? I still remember how smooth the early game played.

 

[ls612]

@MrAzure: Some very good ideas there, It will help me considerably in planning new spaceships. I am planning though to base the ship classes and combat roles off of Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion, the only game I play aside from C2C. In short, please let me take lead on spaceship planning and design.

 

[Azurian]

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[Azurian]