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Partizanac
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yes but he's not a chinese he's a mongol...
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But I don't see why Mongols wouldn't be able to aquire Chinese swords. They pillaged in China on several occasions afterall.
Stormrage
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Even tho he can be used as both, he`s neither mongol nor chinese so keep your sword issues to yourselves.
Regarding the sword : the hilt is clearly made of blue plastic on the preview.
However, plastic was not invented, neither by the mongol nor the chinese at the time. This an horrible anachronism, and must be corrected ASAP.
However, plastic was not invented, neither by the mongol nor the chinese at the time. This an horrible anachronism, and must be corrected ASAP.
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
Don't worry a real mongol unit is coming soon. By me? Can't say.
please don't !!! 
I'm bad. I know I am :suicide:
Stormrage
Ever Present Taskmaster
Its by Quinzy, its no secret. There have been previews... like, 10 years ago? 
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
Usually Mongols used curved swords, since they rode horses. And their armor and weapons where common for most of the silk road, China, and India-Persia at the time. But CamJH already said this unit is not a Mongol.
Usually, the Frankish knights used curved swords, since they rode horses.
Wait a minute... They didn't! use curved swords, but they did ride horses!
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
The Frankish empire fell before the first European sabers where used by Hungry. The Europeans almost never used curved swords, but once they did they called it a "calvary sword" because it is easier to use on a horse than a straight sword. The Mongols and Central Asian people lived by the horse, so all their weapons and armor evolved from their form of war. So they used a curved sword because it is a slashing weapon, and it is hard to thrust when you are on a moving horse, often higher than your enemy. And because it is much easier to unshelth than a straight sword.
It is also why during the majority of Japanese history, the swords were curved, the tachi was very curved and worn blade down because it was during the periods of warfare, and the high ranking people would be on a horse. But curring the Edo period when there was peace, the sword because a bit straighter because there was no need to have such a curve, because they were on the feet.
The European did not call curved sword "Cavalry sword". The British may have done so.
In France we call it a "Sabre". We have "Sabre de cavalerie", specific to cavarly, and it's related on the size of the weapon.
It's not simply the use of a horse that dictate the use of a curved on non curve sword. I think it's a lot more related to the use of armor.
In France we call it a "Sabre". We have "Sabre de cavalerie", specific to cavarly, and it's related on the size of the weapon.
It's not simply the use of a horse that dictate the use of a curved on non curve sword. I think it's a lot more related to the use of armor.
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
A curved sword is for slashing, if you try to trust into something and ride a moving horse, it will probably break.
A straight sword is usually for stabbing.
The Mongols and Turks fought people from all over Europe and Asia, but they still mostly used a curved sword because their war focused on horsemanship.
But I am not going to battle your ego. believe what you want, and I will do the same.
A straight sword is usually for stabbing.
The Mongols and Turks fought people from all over Europe and Asia, but they still mostly used a curved sword because their war focused on horsemanship.
But I am not going to battle your ego. believe what you want, and I will do the same.
Blue Monkey
Archon Without Portfolio
Personally, I don't remember ever seeing a pre-Mughal representation of a curved sword in Indian art, even though cavalry was a prominent part of their armies. I'd be delighted to see any such images.
Rather than matching egos for size, perhaps the experts could all cite their sources (time-travelers: please make sure all your first-hand digital images are properly time stamped and sign the standard declaration that photoshop was not involved).
Rather than matching egos for size, perhaps the experts could all cite their sources (time-travelers: please make sure all your first-hand digital images are properly time stamped and sign the standard declaration that photoshop was not involved).
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
"The curved sword has been the sword of the mounted warrior in many places and for many years. A curved slashing blow is very damaging, and even if it does not kill, it can render the victim unable to continue the fight. Against infantry, the curve allows the cavalryman to strike a strong and effective blow that does not imprison the blade and cause it to be wrenched from the hand. Against other mounted troops it provides effective offense and defense. Sitting astride a horse, the sword is easier to handle in cutting motions than the unnatural thrusts that a straight blade requires."
http://www.thehaca.com/essays/nobest.htm
I didn't say that all horse warriors used curved swords. In my posts I said "usually" and "mostly". My post was about Mongolia, and people of central Asia and the silk road. And these peoples typically, used a curved sword because they relied so much from their horse and mounted warfare. Indians and French didn't as much. Because a weapon is better, it doesn't mean that it all ways existed, or was used.
And here are some curved Indian weapons from before the Mughals for your research:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanda_(sword)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talwar
First, if your faith in something is strong enough, I don't see why your trust should break because you ride a moving horse.
Believe it or not, but I think a knight, when not using a lance, would use his straight sword with slashing when attacking a footman.
And even in general, the straight sword would be used with a lot of slashing compare to thrusting.
The main difference in IMHO is the use of armor and shield. When you figth with armors and shield, you need a stronger sword. When you have lighter armor, you may favour a more flexible curved sword.
It is also a question of fighting technique: the sword are double edged, while the curved sword is single edge.
And if you look carefully, the difference between the two fighting style between eastern cavarly and western knight is not real curved and straigth curve.
It's more horsebow against long lance.
Partizanac
Serbian Ambassador in CFC
If your trying to convince a Frenchman in to something, its like you're 
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
The reason why European calvary used their straight sword to slash is because it would probably break if you stabbed them and your horse kept moving while the sword was in the armour. Swords break, alot. you can break a curved sword if you thrust and the curve is too big.
Cavalry sometimes had curved swords. It was believed that a curved sword would impact in such a way as to be less inclinded to stick in the victim, and thus being pulled out of the hand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade
Cavalry sometimes had curved swords. It was believed that a curved sword would impact in such a way as to be less inclinded to stick in the victim, and thus being pulled out of the hand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade
I am Japanese, so I am also too stubborn and proud....If your trying to convince a Frenchman in to something, its like you're
Why would you say so? The French education system is baded for a good part on competition and debating skills, so debating is a second nature to us.If your trying to convince a Frenchman in to something, its like you're
I'm not saying Shiro is completly wrong, just that I'm more right
. The use of sword/straight sword doesn't come only (and perhaps not mainly) because it's used on horse or not.First, there is a logical error in saying
"Mongols used curved swords, since they rode horses"
Logically it means "Horseriding --> Curved swords"
But as "Frankish knight ride horse and straight swords", it disproves the logicial link suggested by Shiro.
So we need to find the truth somewhere else.
Second point from Shiro: They use a curved sword because they will slash and not thrust, while with a straight sword you thrust and don't slash.
I suggest you read this interestin article
http://swordforum.com/articles/ams/cavalrycombat.php
Interestingly, the famous Polish winged hussar used both
So I stand by what I said earlier: the development of armor and fighting style (heavy cavalry charging vs lightly armored cavarly "harrassing") as much more importance than the simple "they are cavalry, they have curved sword" statement.
Why do you use also? You are the only one being stubborn and proud.
I'm just tenacious and right
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