Can you gather enough people to conquer Nunavut?

[red_elk]

Choose your leader. The militaristic asshats who think some rank in a military that no longer exists here entitles them to tell you to kill me, or me. If you choose me all i ask you to do is go on about your business.

I see that going well enough for my side.

They won't choose militaristic asshat. And they won't choose outsider who came out of nowhere and declared himself their new boss, either.

 

[emzie]

Again, the premise was that the Canadian government has already declared hands off. So, yes, that's a lot to lose, but it's already lost.

I understood that to mean something else. However, accepting your premise, Nunavut is a de-facto independent country. Why wouldn't they fight for their right self-determination?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I mean the obvious problem is that your standards for conquest are way too low

But someone with 100% of the community behind them does have power, in that community. And that is the community you are trying to conquer, so having power over them would be a good standard for conquest

You moved from "having them cater to my whims" to "having power over them," but the outcome hasn't changed. I literally have no whims that 35,000 tundra dwellers could make any difference in. The only demand I would make would be to be left alone, and I could certainly bring sufficient force to make that happen since chances are that no one could organize any resistance to my simple "demands.". So the answer to the opening question remains, yes. Under the posited conditions I could invade and conquer this place.

Given that we are effectively talking about a huge, very sparsely populated, and left lawless area I don't even see how anyone would think it was difficult.

 

[warpus]

You moved from "having them cater to my whims" to "having power over them.

They will only cater to your whims if you have power over them.

That's why conquerors always bring an army with them. Without a way to project your force you have 0 influence over the local population, and you need that if you want history to remember you as a conqueror and not just a crazy guy who put up a flag and proclaimed Timavut

 

[Cutlass]

You should go conquer Greenland instead. Then you all can stop arguing about what the Canadian government will do.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I understood that to mean something else. However, accepting your premise, Nunavut is a de-facto independent country. Why wouldn't they fight for their right self-determination?

Who said I was going to make them fight for it? What great endeavor do you think these 35,000 tundra dwellers who have just been abandoned by Canada are going to be wanting to embark upon? They are going to want to set about surviving the next winter. As their new ruler I will not obstruct them in any way. The taxes that could be collected from 35,000 tundra dwellers make no difference to me, so I would demand no tax. Whatever "property" they are using to get by, as far as I am concerned they have a right to it and they can have it. There is literally no reason for them to dispute my rule.

 

[innonimatu]

Let's just say that all other parties(including the Canadian government) stayed nuetral and did not interfere. Would you be able to rally a force big enough to march into Nunavut(remember there are no roads into Nunavut) and defeat its mighty armies to lay claim to the province.

It is the largest province in the Lands of Canadia but has a total population of 35,000 scatter through the province with no quick way of gathering together. Only a fraction of any population can be its army. Could you conquer Nunavut?

All I would have to do was find gold (or something similar) there and start a rush... with no government to defend it, it'd be overrun in no time!

Did you made this thread thinking of how several lands were annexed into the US?

 

[Bugfatty300]

Purchase ex-soviet navy submarine, hire a well armed filibuster crew for shock and awe, stock it with huge amounts of alcohol for hearts and minds. Patrol around under the ice while periodically surfacing to collect taxes, enforce prima nocta, destroy illegal Canadian outposts, and blockade the NWP.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

All I would have to do was find gold (or something similar) there and start a rush... with no government to defend it, it'd be overrun in no time!

Did you made this thread thinking of how several lands were annexed into the US?

See, I would just bring the 'something similar' with me. Give me a lawless land where I could build a fair sized warehouse full of hydroponics and I'd probably multiply GDP by a significant factor. The few who were really upset about being 'ruled' by an outlander could almost certainly be bought off...or at least mellowed out.

 

[emzie]

Who said I was going to make them fight for it? What great endeavor do you think these 35,000 tundra dwellers who have just been abandoned by Canada are going to be wanting to embark upon? They are going to want to set about surviving the next winter. As their new ruler I will not obstruct them in any way. The taxes that could be collected from 35,000 tundra dwellers make no difference to me, so I would demand no tax. Whatever "property" they are using to get by, as far as I am concerned they have a right to it and they can have it. There is literally no reason for them to dispute my rule.

How are you going to survive? Where will you find shelter? Where will you acquire food? How will provide for your army?

How can you claim to rule if you exert no control? If you have no influence, power or authority, how are you a ruler? No one would need to dispute you, you'd be a crazy guy making a claim, waiting to freeze to death in October.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

How are you going to survive? Where will you find shelter? Where will you acquire food? How will provide for your army?

How can you claim to rule if you exert no control? If you have no influence, power or authority, how are you a ruler? No one would need to dispute you, you'd be a crazy guy making a claim, waiting to freeze to death in October.

See, I would just bring the 'something similar' with me. Give me a lawless land where I could build a fair sized warehouse full of hydroponics and I'd probably multiply GDP by a significant factor. The few who were really upset about being 'ruled' by an outlander could almost certainly be bought off...or at least mellowed out.

Asked too late, since I already answered.

I'm more than capable of surviving anywhere, especially if there's no trespassing law to be concerned about. As to "claiming to rule if I exert no control," I already went through the fact that my only order would be "carry on then." That isn't indicative of a lack of power as much as a lack of interest. There is really nothing I can think of that I would want 35,000 tundra dwellers to do for me.

 

[Takhisis]

I'd conquer them with kindness using my message of love and hope.

Giant Death Robots ran out of gas?

 

[Takhisis]

There is really nothing I can think of that I would want 35,000 tundra dwellers to do for me.

I'll just dangle the prize of 35k Facebook accounts to follow Dingbat Donny around the clock…

 

[emzie]

Asked too late, since I already answered.

I'm more than capable of surviving anywhere, especially if there's no trespassing law to be concerned about. As to "claiming to rule if I exert no control," I already went through the fact that my only order would be "carry on then." That isn't indicative of a lack of power as much as a lack of interest. There is really nothing I can think of that I would want 35,000 tundra dwellers to do for me.

Then you don't rule those 35,000 people. You live among them, and are subject to them if they so wish. What will you do when a few hundred decide to take what you think is yours?

 

[Perfection]

Giant Death Robots ran out of gas?

That's the backup plan.

 

[Takhisis]

Then you don't rule those 35,000 people. You live among them, and are subject to them if they so wish. What will you do when a few hundred decide to take what you think is yours?

It depends on what he is raising in his hydroponic tanks.

That's the backup plan.

Go on…

 

[Recon Rover]

I couldn't survive a night outdoors four hours north of Toronto without a lot of modern equipment. Good luck accomplishing anything for any reason in the frozen and swamped wasteland of Nunavut.

There's a very good reason Canadians live on the border of the United States. The country is mostly unconquered wilderness with big hungry roaming bears and you can bet Canadians are packing heat when they venture into it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Then you don't rule those 35,000 people. You live among them, and are subject to them if they so wish. What will you do when a few hundred decide to take what you think is yours?

I can bring enough people with me to fend off small disorderly groups. Besides, it's 35,000 people in an area the size of Alaska. Odds are they won't even find me, much less come swarming.

 

[Perfection]

Go on…

Vast mineral wealth with few pesky humans to stand in the way - a natural habitat to breed robotic revenge!

 

[red_elk]

I can bring enough people with me to fend off small disorderly groups. Besides, it's 35,000 people in an area the size of Alaska. Odds are they won't even find me, much less come swarming.

Odds are, they wouldn't even now they were "conquered", so you can just as well declare yourself Tim the First, Emperor of Nunavut from where you are now