[GS] Canada Discussion Thread

[Trav'ling Canuck]

The Mounties unlock at Conservation, which means they show up at the same time as Naturalists. The only reason to use them is to get National Parks if you don't otherwise have the Faith (or have something better to do with the Faith). Which is fine, that in itself isn't a problem.

The Mounties as a military unit are challenged. To the extent they were ever a military unit in real life, it was in the Industrial Era. Delaying them until the Modern era, then giving them a weak combat ability, means that even fighting in and around National Parks, they're going to be heavily outgunned, unless there's been an overall balance change to the combat strength of Modern units.

It doesn't look, at first glance, like there's any reason to build a Mountie unless you want to found a National Park. Which again, is fine. But from a civ design perspective, it feels like "jam a Mountie into there somewhere".

A Mechanized Infantry "Peacekeeper" unit replacement, to synergize with the Emergencies thing, might have been more fun, game play wise. But anyway, Canada will simply have to work harder, it seems, to garner the benefits of the Emergencies bonus.

 

[ezysquire]

And here I was hoping for Terrance and Phillip.

 

[KayAU]

I don't think it arrives too late. It comes before Professional Sports since it's not their in the first look, which is where I thought it would be. I'm under the impression that it could even arrive at Games and Recreation in the Classical Era because I'm not sure where else you would be able to learn it.

Classical Era hockey? I am going to guess it will be in the Industrial era, as I think that corresponds to when hockey was likely invented.

I think it will certainly be useful at that point, as its culture and tourism output should be impressive.

 

[pgm123]

That's unclear, to be honest. The Book of Samuel says something inappropriate was being sacrificed by the Priests of Ba'al (the ones mentioned were Canaanite or Philistine, I believe, not specifically Phoenician), but I don't believe it was specifically stated what it was, and the writer of that book would not have had a purely objective viewpoint on that either. Human sacrifice in Carthage I've never seen verified evidence around except a few oblique Hellenistic and Roman references that may have well confused the known Illyrian penchant for such practice instead.

I don't know about the Book of Samuel, though Phoenicians were a type of Canaanite and Philistines were Aegean who may have adopted local deities. The Book of Jeremiah condemns people for sacrificing children to Baal, but it is talking about Judeans, not Canaanites (Jeremiah 19:1-5).

As for evidence about Carthage, there is this article: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/21/carthaginians-sacrificed-own-children-study

 

[Patine]

I do think Pearson would have been a better leader choice. But I can kind of see why since Pearson's work wasn't while he was leader and they maybe didn't want a leader that recent this time around.

I would have too. I wasn't a big fan of Laurier (except for his opposition to conscription during WW1, especially when the already recorded volunteer rate in Canada was astronomical as it was), but mostly because Laurier wanted a full out free-trade agreement (or reciprocity treaty, as it was called in the day) 77 years before Mulroney actually nailed the accursed thing in. Pearson promoted "Middle Power" status and "International Mediator" status for Canada "with a respectable, but not Imperialist military" and a "strong, endemic economy."

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Classical Era hockey? I am going to guess it will be in the Industrial era, as I think that corresponds to when hockey was likely invented.

I think it will certainly be useful at that point, as its culture and tourism output should be impressive.

Makes as much sense as a Medieval Outback Station.

 

[Patine]

I don't know about the Book of Samuel, though Phoenicians were a type of Canaanite

Of course, quite a few linguists, ethnologists, and even geneticists say Jews/Hebrews were a type of Canaanite, all-in-all, in a broad sense of the ethno-geographical term.

 

[King William I]

Can any Canadian tell me what the other song in the first look is.

It's clearly not O Canada

 

[Myomoto]

Mechanized Infantry "Peacekeeper" unit replacement, to synergize with the Emergencies thing, might have been more fun, game play wise. But anyway, Canada will simply have to work harder, it seems, to garner the benefits of the Emergencies bonus.

Yea, I was hoping for a Peacekeeper unit of some kind that received combat bonuses when fighting the target of an Emergency. Potentially a spec-ops replacement to let it respond quickly to somebody taking a city state somewhere on the map.

Additionally I hoped for something like a railway hotel improvement for culture/tourism based on appeal of the tile, must be built adjecent to a railway.

 

[Patine]

Can any Canadian tell me what the other song in the first look is.

It's clearly not O Canada

I haven't watched it yet. I always prefer text-based previews with pictures to video previews and teasers. Perhaps I'm just old.

 

[pgm123]

Of course, quite a few linguists, ethnologists, and even geneticists say Jews/Hebrews were a type of Canaanite, all-in-all, in a broad sense of the ethno-geographical term.

I was tempted to put that in there. I would say it is more accurate that Jews/Hebrews/Israelites came out of the Canaanite population, but called themselves something different. Phoenicians called themselves Canaanite. Though they also called themselves Tyrrian or Sydonian, which isn't that different from someone from the Kingdom of Israel using the name Samaritan (from the city of Samara) or someone from Judea going by Judean or Jew.

 

[Canadian Bluebeer]

Are you saying that hockey isn't a religious rite in Canada? Pure blasphemy there. Go confess to our lord and saviour, Maurice Richard.

That would be Gordie Howe thank you.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Mounties and Ice Hockey Rinks?
I have to say I'm disappointed after both Hungary and Maori looked like interesting and innovative civs to play.
The farms on tundra does give them a niche I suppose.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

That would be Gordie Howe thank you.

Do I detect a schism in the church?

 

[Naktis]

Well really late game civ , if you ever get to that phase of game. Anyway someone in Maori thread talked about how Maori is weakest civ , Canada say's "Hold my cup"

 

[Disgustipated]

Well really late game civ , if you ever get to that phase of game. Anyway someone in Maori thread talked about how Maori is weakest civ , Canada say's "Hold my cup"

Wouldn't that be Hold my Molson

 

[redfox85]

.. there was a viewership survey done a couple years ago for sports that divided out the results amongst the Generations. It showed hockey in clear decline amongst Millennials and niche sports like Rugby and Cricket starting to climb. And, just being able to build farms on Tundra is not good enough .. they need some kind of buff, maybe +1 production on tundra tiles so tundra is similar to plains.. and better matches what the ability is called.

 

[Siptah]

.. there was a viewership survey done a couple years ago for sports that divided out the results amongst the Generations. It showed hockey in clear decline amongst Millennials and niche sports like Rugby and Cricket starting to climb. And, just being able to build farms on Tundra is not good enough .. they need some kind of buff, maybe +1 production on tundra tiles so tundra is similar to plains.. and better matches what the ability is called.

I‘m not sure abou a buff. Favor from tourism might be pretty strong, as well as better emergency rewards.

 

[Navelgazer]

You'll want to settle really fast, which means getting builders out for farms really fast, which means it would be really great to get a classical golden age for Monumentality, but on higher levels that doesn't look particularly easy for them (except in the sense that tundra goodie-huts and barb-camps are less fought-over, usually) and also you have no faith bonus aside from "Dance of the Aurora" usually being available. While you can't take over your early neighbors nearly as easily, you can also forward-settle the hell out of them (and will) and sort of play a "come at me bro" game.

So, you want to settle and grow fast, and also want to get a Holy Site out fast... I'm expecting some tense early games now for Canada before they get comfortable.

 

[scry887]

Can any Canadian tell me what the other song in the first look is.

It's clearly not O Canada

I don't know but I am really hoping that they will put in the Halleluyah (sp, sorry at work) song as either an acoustic or lullaby. They kind of made Canada a little cheesy with the abilities for the hockey rink and mounties (speaking as a canuck); as someone mentioned before, there should be more emergency bonuses. Or maybe a bonus to fighting in tundra/snow?

Also I don't like how the farms look in tundra tiles.