canada discussion

[kristopherb]

if are to find out if canada will be added in the game we first must find out what seperates country from a civilization.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Canadian cities have a tendency to flip if they are located next to French cultural borders [/Q

That's funny.

You should add ... "Canadian cities have a tendency to flip if they are located next to French cultural borders ... only when America is in the game too". After all, the French minority of the St Lawrence river valley - to which they were and are still largely confined - was regarded as peripheral and backward until relatively recently; but the French language has been promoted to appease Quebec nationalists and make Canada appear more different to the USA. As 27 % of Canadians are of Scottish or Irish ancestry (compared with 16% for French), they should promote Gaelic instead.

 

[Colossian]

'American Empire', I never heard of it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Empire#Definition_of_empire

Definition of empire
The term "empire" has two meanings. In one sense, the U.S. is not an empire, because it lacks a legal emperor, king, despot, or other hereditary head of state. In another sense, the U.S. satisfies the definition of an empire, because it possesses sovereignty over territories which it has not annexed as states, such as Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Guam, U.S. Virgin Islands, and in the past the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, Cuba, Occupied Japan, Occupied Germany, Okinawa and the Philippines.[1]

Controversy exists over whether the U.S. consistently behaves like an empire across the world, and if it would be accurate to describe it as such. The term imperialism was coined in the mid-1800s to describe empire-like behavior, carried out by states which might or might not be formal empires.[2] The Oxford English Dictionary gives three definitions of imperialism:

An imperial system of government; the rule of an emperor, esp. when despotic or arbitrary.
The principle or spirit of empire; advocacy of what are held to be imperial interests.
Used disparagingly. In Communist writings: the imperial system or policy of the Western powers. Used conversely in some Western writings: the imperial system or policy of the Communist powers.[3]
Debate exists over whether the U.S. is an empire in the politically-charged sense of the latter two definitions. Historian Stuart Creighton Miller argues that the overuse and abuse of the term "imperialism" makes it nearly meaningless as an analytical concept.[4] Historian Archibald Paton Thorton wrote that "imperialism is more often the name of the emotion that reacts to a series of events than a definition of the events themselves. Where colonization finds analysts and analogies, imperialism must contend with crusaders for and against."[5] Political theorist Michael Walzer argues that the term "hegemony" is better than "empire" to describe the US' role in the world.[6]

 

[cybrxkhan]

on Canada: yes, but no.

theoretically, it should get a place. when, and that is the question. i'd say maybe a fourth or fifth expansion.

 

[Arnesson]

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Wodan

I am a Canadian! If nothing else, we do have a sense of humour and can laugh at ourselves from time to time. But I don't think that qualifies us to have our own Civ.

 

[MangoMan]

Yes! 43 23.12%
no! 143 76.88%

awgh
americans shouldnt be allowed to vote

 

[aronnax]

The American and Native American Empire is already riddiculous enough. If there was a Canadian Empire, then hell Civilization 4 is silly enough to have an Australian and New Zealander Empire.

 

[Saim]

It's better than Australia, but still no. (I'm Aussie btw, I thnk Canada has more international importance).

Canada isn't even a Great Power. I don't think it should be in anything but mods (it would be fun to play it as a mod though).

 

[TheLastOne36]

It's quite obvious why America is in the game, Canada hasn't done what America has, so it's not in the game. If anything, i'd actually rather see Australia then Canada.

 

[Saim]

Really? I'm Aussie and I think that's ridiculous. Australia did even LESS than Canada.

 

[obliterate]

Sorry about the double post

 

[obliterate]

It's better than Australia, but still no. (I'm Aussie btw, I thnk Canada has more international importance).

Canada isn't even a Great Power. I don't think it should be in anything but mods (it would be fun to play it as a mod though).

I'm an Aussie, and so probably biased, but what makes you think that Canada has more international signifcance than Australia.

Australia had 3/4 of the world's uranium, was under direct threst from the Japanese during World War Two but managed to hold them off (with america's help(But not on the Kakoda Trail))

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokoda_Track_campaign

Canada may have more people but not a lot more.

Per capita Australia has more GDP.

We have the Sydney Opera House, Sydney Habour Bridge, Ayer's Rock (Uluru), MCG, Great Barrier Reef, The Kimberlys, Cradle Mountain in Tasmania fills more categories for the World Heritage List than anything else.

We are the peace keepers of the region; Solomon Islands, East Timor, Papua New Guinea.

We have the largest section of Antarctica.

We rank 3rd on the Human Development Index.

We also hold back New Zealand from the rest of the World, of which everyone else should be thankful for!

 

[TheLastOne36]

We also hold back New Zealand from the rest of the World.

ehh?

And at Saim, theres nothing to different about Canada, i spent most of my life there.

 

[obliterate]

[QUOTE=TheLastOne36;ehh?

You obviuosly don't know Kiwis.

If you are Americans just think of them as Mexicans

 

[TheLastOne36]

Please Explain. Are new Zealanders now swimming over to Australia as Illegal immigrants or something?

 

[obliterate]

Maybe not hat bad. But they are annoying and they speak funny. Can't pronounce their vowels.

Chips=Chups
Six=sex

 

[cybrxkhan]

kiwis taste good.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Oh sure. Let's add Canada. Let's also add Brazil, Italy, Mexico, and dozens of other nations. Just don't forget to rename Sid Meier's Civilization as Sid Meier's Nation.

 

[Captain2]

leave us out of it.....

quite frankly I'm happy that I never have to bomb my real nation when playing civ, take that yanks

 

[rabidveggie]

I thought New Zealand was a first world nation? Also Canada is renowned as the peace keepers of the world although its easy to say don't fight when you don't have any guns to fight with.
We also gained international significance in a number of wars and had the third largest navy by the end of WWII. We have the second most oil in the world, the most water located in our borders, second most land mass, huge amount of lumber, have ranked first repeatedly as the top nation in the world to live. Many of the top scientists in NASA were scientist working on the Avro Arrow until development suddenly stopped. I blame American interference.
We are probably at the top of the world for multiculturalism.
America somehow got hugly saturated in leaders. Three leaders for a nation as young as America? Come on. Throw one of those spots to Canada, heck even Brazil or Australia is better. I doubt Canada has accomplished enough or is old enough to be considered a civilization, but don't sell Canada short.