Capto Iugulum: 1920 - 1939

In regards to military upkeep, there is such a thing, but I handle it separately outside of the stats to keep the stat page a bit slimmer than it should be. Military upkeep is reflected by a slowing or even reversal of economic growth, as a nation unable to sustain its forces will find the economy floundering under the weight of the forces its created. Of course under the pressures of a total war, some of this may be mitigated, but the true upkeep comes when crises have passed. The best examples of this at the current date have been Hungary and Italy, while Brazil (prior to the current economic woes) reflects the direct opposite. In Russia's case he has the population size and density to support the army he has while still maintaining moderate economic growth. As Shadowbound pointed out, Russia's doctrine and demographics suit it well for a massive army, and to date he's actually been far below where he could be.
 
I suspected that is why I've been losing EP every year. 50 infantry brigades is way too much for the paltry Danish economy. Huh.
 
I suspected that is why I've been losing EP every year. 50 infantry brigades is way too much for the paltry Danish economy. Huh.

Yeah, something like 8% of your population is in the Armed Forces.

EDIT: Russia, meanwhile, has about 8 million men under arms, which depending on the exact generational demographics, still doesn't approach.
 
Actually the numbers for Russia are around 5 million, not 10 million.
 
OOC: Which is possible with a brigade strength of 3,000 men, as opposed to the 5k I was using, though that doesn't exactly fit with an army that focuses mostly on mass.

EDIT: And assumes a truly atrocious tooth-to-tail ratio.
 
@Shadowbound: Brigade is a fairly vague term, for my own calculations I assume they are all at 3000. I could treat them all differently, but down that road madness lies. It's hard to make any further statements, simply because those numbers don't include support staff, supply lines, etc.

@Azale and theDright: Yes, I have found Azale's choices suspiciously always in luckymoose's best interests rather than his own at times, but never enough to really cry shenanigans, because frankly, there's no actual evidence and everything he's done has been in character. Azale's arguments are somewhat legitimate, but not 100% valid. The only (minor) flaw I see in his argument is attributing way more power and influence to Brazil than Brazil actually wielded. Tanganyeken for example was in no way Brazil's baby, but instead was caused mostly due to [redacted]. Also, having just reread some of those wars, I'd say that Republican Spain only exists because of the Franco-Burgundian Confederation, certainly not Brazil, though I would say that's moot, because Spain's been pretty close to Brazil since before Azale. At any rate, I'd say, this is not a productive avenue of conversation and that both of you ought to drop it.
 
Not that I object to anything in Spain's policy, but Republican Spain would exist without Brazil; it was almost entirely sheer numbers of Confederate soldiers that pulled that one off.
 
Well, considering the Confederation was blown to bits by Germany, I can't really align with them can I?
 
Indeed, I'm just saying Brazil's role in the state of Spain is minimal at best, and realistically irrelevant altogether. Brazil was only briefly involved and lost a mere 400 soldiers in the process of setting up a new government. In terms of blood spilt you owe more to Occitania or the Netherlands.
 
Once again, no point in sucking up to them when they are either aligning with my splinter states or a non-factor :p
 
OOC: I can vouch for Azale's reputation as a good, intelligent, in-character NESer. I say this as someone who has continually betrayed Luckymoose across numerous games. I think Dright's comments are completely out of line.
 
I refer to my earlier statement and suggest that this highly unproductive line of conversation be dropped.
 
To: Adjuuramark
From: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland


We support the new government of Adjuuramark and look forward to future cooperation. Feel free to consult with the United Kingdom at any time.

To: Guangxi
From: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland


The recent reforms in Guangxi, while within the Dominions' rights, have disturbed many in London, and not simply because they appear undemocratic in nature. We would like to remind Guangxi that the United Kingdom has been very supportive of its Dominion in some of its most critical crises, and had it not been for the support of the United Kingdom, Guangxi likely would not exist today. Indeed, had it not been for the British Expeditionary Force in Guangxi, the Red Army would be in control. The period of British Dominionhood represents one of the most independent and prosperous periods in Guangxi's history, and we hope that Guangxi is as committed to the Empire as the Empire is committed to Guangxi.

To: Argentina, Brazil
CC: Uruguay
From: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland


The crisis in South America has the potential to escalate out of control and result in massive loss of life and destruction of property for all involved. We thus must comment on this issue.

We first say that we agree with Brazil on who represents the legitimate government of Uruguay, that Duvall was impeached and found corrupt by the rightful judicial and democratic process and his uprising, albeit with support from the public, is not justified. There is no evidence that he was wrongfully found guilty, and disagreement with the Moralist government is not sufficient reason to support a violent uprising that stands opposed to the principles of democracy.

However, we do not support how either side has managed this issue. We do not feel that either Brazil or Argentina should send troops to the country, although a declaration of war should not be issued for other, nonmilitary support. Such would only increase the bloodshed.

With that said, the United Kingdom is bound by the Morgan-Smith Treaty to defend Argentina should Brazil declare war. Should Brazil declare war, the United Kingdom will uphold its treaty obligations. But we have had friendly relations with both Brazil and Argentina in the past, and we do not want this crisis to escalate and result in the triggering of the Morgan-Smith Treaty. We invite representatives from Argentina, Brazil, and both factions in Uruguay to London so a peaceful resolution to this conflict can be reached.
 
OOC: I agree with your assessment of Azale, Crezth. Which is why it is strange from my perspective to see recently independent governments sign incredibly one-sided diplomatic agreements with another imperialist and no one else.

Obviously, I am not privy to everything Azale does; this is merely what I noticed. But I may have been overzealous in being so rude. I apologize to Azale and I'll be redacting my previous message.
 
TO: Great Britain
FROM: Brazil


It is our duty as allies of the lawfully elected government of Uruguay to assist them when they call for aid against this leftist revolution. Argentina is completely in the wrong and we are glad that you agree with us on who the legal government of Uruguay is. There has been no foul play and the Argentine government is bringing war to the continent against Brazil, not the other way around. They are the aggressors. We do not believe your defensive pact would be triggered by their assault on our peaceful empire.

We will be more than glad to talk this out in London, but only after the thugs of Duval have laid down their arms and order has been restored to the lawful government of Uruguay. President Padilla is the president until the next election cycle regardless of Argentine attempts to assist this coup. We would appreciate if Britain reinforced this message.
 
To: Adjuuramark
From: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland


We support the new government of Adjuuramark and look forward to future cooperation. Feel free to consult with the United Kingdom at any time.

Certainly we do look forward to a closer cooperation between our nations as we ponder on our future.
 
TO: Argentina
FROM: Brazil


We signed nothing that said we would support illegal coups of the government of our neighbors, our long time allies and friends. The actions of Duval go into the category of revolution and he, not the Moralist party of Uruguay, is overstepping the bounds of democracy. He was removed by evidence backed by independent contractors, and thus is, without any doubt, guilty of corruption.

To: Brazil
From: Argentina


But you did promise non-aggression and doing your utmost to prevent war in South America. How such unilateral action comprises a desire for peace is beyond us. The Moralist party of Uruguay is completely intertwined with both violent generals and the organized crime that has become endemic to Uruguay under the Moralist government. This impeachment, conducted by the legislature, and then referred to the Supreme Court, has been a political power play demonstrating the Uruguayan Moralists completely disregard for other parties in their republic.

Brazil has sponsored no revolution. In fact, we've had no hand in this civil war at all until now. All the evidence supports the coalition behind President Padilla. And we will support him against the unlawful proletarist Duval. Chaos cannot be allowed in South America, not by any side, and certainly not fueled by Argentina. You have proven you support the United Proletarists, Jacksonia, and others. What makes you think you can go to war with Brazil and attack the foundations of liberty to support your proletarism in Uruguay?

Without even trying to find a peaceful solution, Brazil is sponsoring a Moralist militant revolution in Uruguay, despite it being unaware of it before. The evidence gathered by the corrupt Moralist government is misleading and biased, if anything, all President Duval is guilty of is stooping to their level. The charges leveled against the Argentine and Uruguayan government are nonsensical; we are no proletarist dictatorship and we support no proletarist dictatorships. You ascribe liberty to Moralism, but many Moralist movements have proven to be some sort of militant crypto-proletarist vanguard. Brazil must stand on the side of a democratic Moralism of virtuous men, not an oligarchic Moralism enforced by military compulsion and hopelessly corrupted by organized crime.

Do you really wish to wake the Jaguar? Do you think you can force your ideological usurpation on the people of Uruguay while the Mace of Liberty watches? If so much as a single Argentine soldier crosses the border into Brazil there will be no end to this conflict until your regime is ripped from the soil and tossed to the sea.

Ideological usurpation? You speak of yourself. You are unworthy of calling yourself the Mace of Liberty if you look on the Moralist coups in Costa Rica, Nicaragua, and Uruguay and call it 'liberty.'

You have destroyed peace and brought war to where war has no need to be. You are the enemy if you continue this path of warmongering and revolution. We have given you more chances than most to correct your path and cease your proxy conflicts with Brazil, but this is too far. You will withdraw your support for Duval immediately, and send no soldiers to Uruguay. If you do so, you will be in a state of war with Brazil. There is still time for peace.

You are the one who is destroying your peace with your inability to compromise and find a rational and satisfactory solution. Proxy conflicts with Brazil?

Argentina will not back down from protecting the freedom of Uruguay, nor the freedom of South America. However, unlike Brazil, we will propose two acceptable compromises which lead to peace.

The first solution is that neither the Argentine nor the Brazilian government, nor any other government, gives any aid whatsoever to the parties of the Uruguayan Civil War. We will contain the conflict just as the Colombian Civil War was contained prior to the Great War. This will involve bringing in unbiased mediators to patrol all of our mutual borders with Uruguay.

The second solution is a multi-national coalition of peacekeepers from its Argentine, Brazilian, and Paraguayan neighbors is employed in Uruguay to restore order. Then with appropriate observers from other states, an early election can be held in Uruguay.

TO: Spain, Paraguay, Colombia, Chile, Venezuela, Mayaland, Hispaniola, Puerto Rico, Nicaragua, Benin, Cuba, Peru, etc etc
FROM: Brazil


You are our friends and many of your are considered allies. We do not call you to war, but we do call you to use your diplomatic power to end this conflict. Tell Argentina to withdraw from this war, as there is no justification for their side and their support for the revolution of Duval is wholly illegal.

Brazil does not want war. Argentina wants war. And we are willing to prevent the escalation of this conflict. But it is impossible to talk to revolutionaries in times like these without the sensible voices of the international community. Lend your voices to our aid.

To: Friends and Allies of Argentina
From: Argentina


We have tried everything in our diplomatic power to prevent conflict with Brazil, despite their rudeness and grandstanding. Please support an option for an honorable peace and an acceptable resolution for the Uruguayan people; not a kowtow to Brazil's fevered imaginings.

OOC:



This is proof that Duval was impeached based on his own undemocratic corruption and his revolution is illegal. The update spells it out. It isn't just the Moralists that proved Duval was corrupt and stealing elections.

Also, don't hate on Azale. Brazil has been on Spain's side longer than Azale has been Spain, and before they were Moralist. I've been backing them since Grandkhan was in the civil war.

OOC: And there is proof that the Moralist party is hopelessly corrupt. This kind of organized crime does not exist without the corruption of those enforcing the law. It is also patently obvious from the update that most Uruguayans, excepting the Army, feel that the Moralists have vastly overstepped their mandate. If anything, Duval is guilty of stooping to the Uruguayan Moralist methods of corrupting elections.

As for Azale, that has been answered elsewhere. I just believe that a sudden enormous change in a government should bring more change in policy, especially when the change is to a party whose philosophy is almost the opposite of the previous governments.

To: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
From: Argentina


We hope you understand our position that this entire impeachment process is hopelessly corrupted by the Uruguayan Moralists, and a vast overstepping of their mandate. The correct way to handle divided governments is to either compromise or gridlock, not impeach your opposition. This is a complete misuse of the checks on the executive. The government of Uruguay is both Liberal and Moralist; this is a naked power grab of the highest order, seizing the power of the head of state and transferring it to another authority. President Duval is the President of Uruguay elected by the people and supported by the people. Senator Padilla shows complete disregard for the constitutional processes of Uruguay and a complete incapability of prosecuting the members of his own party.

As for Brazil, they are prosecuting an illegal war in Uruguay without even trying to maintain the peace of South America, by their errant rudeness and unilateralism. Brazil is the one who is perpetually aggressive, as almost every person in the world knows. They have sworn to do everything possible to maintain peace on the continent, but will ignore it gleefully to avoid having to swallow their pride. We have given two acceptable compromises, and we expect Brazil to do what is needed for peace, demonstrating that it also respects the rights of other states, and not just when its compliance is irrelevant. We will meet in London as long as a ceasefire has been arranged prior. Brazilian demands of concessions of the entire issue prior to meeting are laughable; we will not be attending unless they recant such aggressive statements.
 
To: Brazil
From: Argentina


But you did promise non-aggression and doing your utmost to prevent war in South America. How such unilateral action comprises a desire for peace is beyond us. The Moralist party of Uruguay is completely intertwined with both violent generals and the organized crime that has become endemic to Uruguay under the Moralist government. This impeachment, conducted by the legislature, and then referred to the Supreme Court, has been a political power play demonstrating the Uruguayan Moralists completely disregard for other parties in their republic.

TO: Argentina
FROM: Brazil


We did not promise non-aggression when an illegal leftist coup takes place in our neighbor, friend, and ally. We have been called into this war by defensive pact, which is wholly legal and justified by law. It is Argentina who is breaking the peace we signed just last year, and it does not look good for your government. To claim the Moralist party is corrupt and is the sponsor of organized crime is nothing but leftist propaganda along the lines of Scandinavian diplomatic barking.

President Duval was found guilty by independent contractors of everything from underhanded practices, illegal political abuses, and election rigging in 1935. You cannot say that this man is the rightful president of Uruguay when he was proven by the people of Uruguay and third parties, whom had no connection to the Moralist Party, to have conducted electoral fraud. As such, his militant uprising in the capital of Uruguay is nothing more than a revolution by a corrupt and defeated politician.

Without even trying to find a peaceful solution, Brazil is sponsoring a Moralist militant revolution in Uruguay, despite it being unaware of it before. The evidence gathered by the corrupt Moralist government is misleading and biased, if anything, all President Duval is guilty of is stooping to their level. The charges leveled against the Argentine and Uruguayan government are nonsensical; we are no proletarist dictatorship and we support no proletarist dictatorships. You ascribe liberty to Moralism, but many Moralist movements have proven to be some sort of militant crypto-proletarist vanguard. Brazil must stand on the side of a democratic Moralism of virtuous men, not an oligarchic Moralism enforced by military compulsion and hopelessly corrupted by organized crime.

There is no Moralist revolution, they are simply the legal, elected legislature. They, along with other members of the government and judiciary branch have found Duval guilty and impeached him on corruption charges that have been proven true. Argentina is effectively supporting a coup by the opposition, and for all we know was the catalyst for the armed revolution of Duval to begin with.

We stand by liberty, where Argentina actively support proletarism in North America through aid to the UPRA. Your military aggression and build up followed by this coup and threat of war in Uruguay is PROOF that Argentina has planned this action against Moralism in South America.

Padilla is the legally chosen interim president of the Republic of Uruguay. Duval is a revolutionary thug who will be put down. We cannot allow Argentina to feed armed conflict in South America.

You are the aggressor.

Ideological usurpation? You speak of yourself. You are unworthy of calling yourself the Mace of Liberty if you look on the Moralist coups in Costa Rica, Nicaragua, and Uruguay and call it 'liberty.'

There has been no coup in Uruguay but that of Duval and his leftist militia. You should correct your statements, as even the United Kingdom of Great Britain recognizes the facts at hand. Argentina is willfully supporting the undemocratic coup of a leftist, and potentially proletarist, organization against the lawful and legitimate government of Uruguay.

You are the one who is destroying your peace with your inability to compromise and find a rational and satisfactory solution. Proxy conflicts with Brazil?

Argentina will not back down from protecting the freedom of Uruguay, nor the freedom of South America. However, unlike Brazil, we will propose two acceptable compromises which lead to peace.

We are protecting the freedom of Uruguay and South America by assisting our ally in putting down this coup attempt. Your support of this coup is anti-freedom. Your preparations for war with Brazil are founded only in your warmongering ideology that is opposed to the peaceful ways of Moralism. We have been warning of this coming conflict for years, and now our predictions are proven true.

Uruguay is our friend. Padilla and his government are the rightful, legitimate leadership until the next election cycle. Duval has killed thousands of Uruguayans in his power play and is supported by the supposedly peaceful government of Buenos Aires. Who do you think the international community will support?

The first solution is that neither the Argentine nor the Brazilian government, nor any other government, gives any aid whatsoever to the parties of the Uruguayan Civil War. We will contain the conflict just as the Colombian Civil War was contained prior to the Great War. This will involve bringing in unbiased mediators to patrol all of our mutual borders with Uruguay.

The second solution is a multi-national coalition of peacekeepers from its Argentine, Brazilian, and Paraguayan neighbors is employed in Uruguay to restore order. Then with appropriate observers from other states, an early election can be held in Uruguay.

It is clear to us that Argentine efforts in Uruguay have caused and exacerbated this civil war and as such we do not view your military action in Uruguay to be legitimate or legal. Thus, we do not allow your involvement in the Uruguayan Civil War and demand the immediate cessation of conflict by Duval so that order may be restored.

We warn Argentina that any military action against Brazil will be met with unrelenting war on your state until peace is achieved. We will not attack. We are not the aggressors. We will defend ourselves and our allies from you should you choose to disregard the warnings of not only Brazil, but also of Britain.

OOC: And there is proof that the Moralist party is hopelessly corrupt. This kind of organized crime does not exist without the corruption of those enforcing the law. It is also patently obvious from the update that most Uruguayans, excepting the Army, feel that the Moralists have vastly overstepped their mandate. If anything, Duval is guilty of stooping to the Uruguayan Moralist methods of corrupting elections.

OOC: There is no proof of that. It is clear this is an illegal coup by Duval, who was legally impeached by a coalition effort in Uruguay. You have no ground to stand on. Duval conducted everything from electoral fraud to political abuses, man. You're being incredibly stupid if you believe his coup is the elected government when the update clearly says "leftist militia" and "coup".
 
To: Guangxi
From: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland


The recent reforms in Guangxi, while within the Dominions' rights, have disturbed many in London, and not simply because they appear undemocratic in nature. We would like to remind Guangxi that the United Kingdom has been very supportive of its Dominion in some of its most critical crises, and had it not been for the support of the United Kingdom, Guangxi likely would not exist today. Indeed, had it not been for the British Expeditionary Force in Guangxi, the Red Army would be in control. The period of British Dominionhood represents one of the most independent and prosperous periods in Guangxi's history, and we hope that Guangxi is as committed to the Empire as the Empire is committed to Guangxi.

To: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
From: His Majesty's most humble and loyal Dominion of Guangxi


It is of course apparent to His Highness and all Guangxiren that we owe all to Great Britain and her Empire. Indeed, His Highness King John's greatest hope with these reforms is to strengthen Guangxi, and through that strengthen His Majesty's entire Empire. Once the Fireworks Wars conclude, it is our intention to become strong enough to stand as London's sword and shield in the East, regardless of our cultural or political differences. To gain such strength however we have concluded that Guangxi must turn inward, for it seems that British methods on their own may not fit perfectly in China. Guangxi and all Guangxiren are forever indebted to all British soldiers who have sacrificed their lives for our sake, and the Qing will forever remain the Tudors' most loyal friends and allies.
 
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