Capto Iugulum

The Empire of Spain welcomes the mature and thoughtful positions of Sardinia, the Franco-Burgundian Confederation, Italy, and Britain, who stated that though they recognise the Republicans, they consider this a Spanish affair. We appreciate your commitment to peace and stability in Europe. Let it be known that the positions of these nations present a viable counterpoint to Brazilian aggression.
 
The Empire of Spain welcomes the mature and thoughtful positions of Sardinia, the Franco-Burgundian Confederation, Italy, and Britain, who stated that though they recognise the Republicans, they consider this a Spanish affair. We appreciate your commitment to peace and stability in Europe. Let it be known that the positions of these nations present a viable counterpoint to Brazilian aggression.

Franco-Burgundy hasn't recognized them as far as I'm aware. :p
 
The Empire of Spain welcomes the mature and thoughtful positions of Sardinia, the Franco-Burgundian Confederation, Italy, and Britain, who stated that though they recognise the Republicans, they consider this a Spanish affair. We appreciate your commitment to peace and stability in Europe. Let it be known that the positions of these nations present a viable counterpoint to Brazilian aggression.

Pretty positive that Britain was calling out the Germans for bullying outsiders. Thus, they are not supportive of Monarchist Spain.
 
Pretty sure that Italy, Germany, Russia, and Corsica recognized the Monarchists; Sardinia, the Confederation, Netherlands, Brazil, and Argentina recognized the Republicans.
 
None of the nations above are supportive of Monarchist Spain. They're just not sending soldiers in like Brazil is.

The FBC basically recognised the Republicans in the League social group.
 
Ain't in the League social group so I had no idea. Some of us aren't... 'Continental' enough for that. I don't remember Brazil deciding to send soldiers though. If the Monarchists are supporting an Italian isolation of Spain by water, then the Republicans should have their own friendly isolators as well.
 
TheDright said:
To: Peru
CC: World
From: Argentina
... slaves in s****y caves...

To: Argentina
From: Peru

*sigh* (actually written in)
1. The immigrants were totally free to choose whatever job they'd like, and were given free support from the ministry of immigration to help them find jobs (please see our Ministry of Immigration policy).
2. They have received free (or subsidised if I didn't spend enough) housing, linguistics programs, etc which will be expanding greatly this year (same policy).
3. We believed they'd be either volunteers or willing conservatives from the island of Japan eager to follow the Emperor's orders.

In short while our jobs aren't as fancy as those in Argentina and Brazil these are, second to Vinland, the best treated immigrants in the world, the destabilization is purely due to their unexpected geographic origin.
PS. Guano mining pays very well for unskilled labor, as Peru is a free market such uncomfortable jobs pay better than equally unskilled jobs in more pleaseant environments.


OOC: Good luck with The Pontic Republic and Republican Spain, Cristos and Nintz.
 
free to choose whatever job[/b] they'd like.
2. They have been receiving free care last year for housing, linguistics programs, etc, which will be expanding greatly this year (please see our policies).
3. We believed they'd be either volunteers or willing conservatives from the island of Japan eager to follow the Emperor's orders.

In short while our jobs aren't as fancy as those in Argentina and Brazil these are, second to Vinland, the best treated immigrants in the world, the destabilization is purely due to their unexpected geographic origin.
PS. Guano mining pays quite well, as Peru is a free market such uncomfortable jobs pay better than equally unskilled jobs in more pleaseant environments.

To: Peru
From: Argentina


1. No one internationally has seen any evidence of this guaranteed freedom, only guano mining and unskilled labor.
2. How much housing and linguistic training can you buy for 100,000 forcibly transported dissident Chinese for 10 EP?
3. I hope that you did believe that. You might want to only accept ships full of prisoners from people that will send you what you requested.

Argentina has just as much labor-intensive industry as Peru, so I'm not sure what you are trying to imply here with adjectives like 'fancy'. 'Unexpected geographic origin' is an interesting euphemism though.

P.S. I'm pretty sure that declaring heavy import taxes on most other South American nations counts as free market policy. Otherwise, we might be buying your guano.
 
To: Argentina
From: Peru

1. You're free to send some businessmen/government representatives over to have a look.
2. 10 EPs goes a long way for 15 MPs, but if you feel that is insufficient it is not the total sum, we have mentioned that this is an ongoing policy (the funding, not immigrants from Japan).
3. Yes, they were supposed to be from Japan, hopefully their mainland origin was a misunderstanding.

4. Going over the records of the past government what occured two years before I took over the leadership of my party was that Peru, Chile and Japan made an extensive trade agreement, the Japanese goods were competetive and thus making inroads to the continental market. This was followed by Brazilian-Argentinian tariff cuts to undercut the Japanese exports and then Peruvian-Chilean raising of tariffs to retain the status quo.

Afterwards when I took office I approached Argentina and Brazil with an offer to normalize the situation, but you responded that the 'cheap Japanese crap' and Peruvian ties to dictators was unacceptable. The offer to normalize is still on the table, for Argentina.
- Eduardo Perez
 
To: Argentina
From: Peru

1. You're free to send some businessmen over to have a look.
2. 10 EPs goes a long way for 15 MPs, but if you feel that is insufficient it is not the total sum, we have mentioned that this is an ongoing policy.
3. Yes, they were supposed to be from Japan, hopefully their mainland origin was a misunderstanding.

4. Going over the records of the past government what occured two years before I took over the leadership of my party was that Peru, Chile and Japan made an extensive trade agreement, the Japanese goods were too competitive (or subsidized from Tokyo, we'll have to take a closer look), followed by Brazilian-Argentinian tariff cuts to undercut the Japanese exports and then Peruvian-Chilean raising of tariffs to equalize the former.

1. We shall send some observers over, we are curious if the press is accurately portraying the treatment and mindset of these workers.

2. *Had thought 100,000 translated into ~33 MP. Still think 10 EP/annum can't cover the culture gap from authoritarian coastal Chinese with Japanese, non-Spanish European , and possibly proletarist influences, to a South American Spanish-speaking mountainous constitutional monarchy, especially if their transport wasn't their idea in the first place, and they'd rather be causing trouble for the Japanese back in China.

3. Possibly. I'd hope that international shipping from Japan didn't frequently confuse their mainland colonies with their island homeland.

4. Peru and Japan agreed to exchange Peruvian raw mining and agricultural resources with Japanese industrial goods. Fine. Japanese underbidding anything that others on the continent might want to export to Peru? Not so fine. The cost of 1000s of miles of treacherous ocean both to and from Japan far outweighs the varied routes of South American overland trade, Panama canal trade from the north along the coast, or even trade from the South around Tierra del Fuego. We didn't undercut imports from Japan, we lowered export taxes to Peru. Argentina was unaware how economically isolated and unprosperous Peru was becoming before these events. We also didn't want our own markets flooded with lowest-bid Japanese crap either. It seems that they are also sending you immigrants that they consider lowest-bid crap too.
 
Response (open, spoilered to save space):
Spoiler :
1. Great!
Regarding their mindsets, some of these unexpectedly mainland immigrants are proletarists. Social proletarists should be very mollified by their rapid rise in living standards. Traditional proletarists however are illegal in Peru and will be arrested and given the choice of deporation back to the mainland or a humane reeducation in a correctional facility.

2. The funding is being expanded massively this year (though some of the extra funding will go to help Spanish refugees settle in). And yes, we are not happy about having unexpectedly received mainlanders, but they are here and will be treated well.

3. Indeed. Going back through our records we believe that though Peru made it very clear we wanted Japanese immigrants from Japan to Japanify Peru, though we mentioned volunteer Chinese immigrants early on in negotiations if the above could not be had. This may have confused Imperial records, and perhaps their lower-level beurocrats saw a chance to get rid of a problem Peru did not ask for.

4. We'll review our economic import policies seriously, and contact Kyoto regarding whether the underbidding is done with government assistance or through regular corporate financial reserves, and also normalize our tariffs vis a vis Argentina if the Argentina government will do the same. The Peruvian state allows underbidding from companies, but aims tariffs at products with government subsidies to avoid market distortion. We agree on the immigrants they are sending us, though they are now our citizens and will be treated well.

*PM sent to continue communications*
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Diplomacy to Denver, Washington, Vinland and Brittany (open)
Spoiler :
Peru hereby officially recognizes the independence, legitimacy and territory of the Washington government in the New England region, as they are clearly the government of choice there.
Similarly while we already fully recognize the independence and legitimacy of the USA we hereby officially recognize their territory to be that of all the territories that freely joined them, as they are clearly the government of choice there (no revolts anywhere yet).
As for the territories of the now extinct Federal remnants and Great Lakes Republic, we believe neither should be recognized as both joined under duress. We ask that representatives from both areas be allowed to come forth to a neutral meeting place, we suggest Brittany if they are willing to hold such a meeting, to announce what type of geographical polity and government they'd like to belong to, whether Denver, Washington, their original polities or a third option.
Also, we hope the Washington government will stop using chemical weapons.

To: Denver and Washington
From: Peru
We encourage both the Washington and Denver governments to seek out negotiations with the other party to hold plebiscites in the areas held by both governments, allowing your adult male populations to vote on whether to belong to either government or any natural third options (such as for example the Great Lakes Republic, and perhaps a hypothetical Deep South Republic (which may be popular with the past supporters of the now extinct federal government)), and what sort of political system they would prefer. If this suggestion is received favorably we suggest a preliminary vote be held to query the various populations what sort of options they believe should be available in the plebiscite such as to eliminate options with marginal support and avoiding a dispersed result when later voting where to belong.


Diplomacy to the Spanish Factions (open)
Spoiler :
To: Spain (Monarchist)
From: Peru
Your Republican opponents have held elections. Peru strongly encourages that Spain do the same, even if the Liberal party is barred.

To: Spain (Republican)
From: Peru
We are very impressed with your inclusion of representatives from the Monarchist regions of Spain, and your calm words to nations opposed to your faction. As such we have decided to recognize Republican Spain as well.

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Navies of the World, 1917 (every spaced line between two nations equate to 100 points of difference, the value of obsolete units have been added in at 25%)
- University of Lima

Global
Spoiler :
#1 Brazil-1190


#2 United Kingdom-987
#3 The Confederation-911
#4 Netherlands-891

#5 Japan-736
#6 Sardinia-668
#7 Argentina-629
#8 Italy-617

#9 Venezuela-471
#10 Germany-448
#11 Scandinavia-402
#12 Russia-318
#13 Kongo-314
#14 Peru-296
#15 Washington-295
#16 Colombia-278
#17 Spain, Republican-272
#18 Denmark-241
#19 Persia-209
#20 Spain, Monarchist-176
#21 Portugal-166
#22 Oman-158
#23 Florida-150
#24 Uruguay-148
#25 Croatia-146
#26 Bulgaria-94
#27 Corsica-90
#28 Turkey-77
#29 Chile-72
#30 Roman Empire-70
#31 Arabian Empire-56
#32 Jamaica-49
#33 Cuba-48
#34 Yemen-46
#35 Mayan Republic-44
#36 Vinland-37
#37 Jacksonia-36
#38 Hawaii-30
#40 Paraguay-20
#41 Nicaragua-17
#42 Angola-16
#43 Occitania-12
#44 Aztlan-10
#45 Pontic Republic-7
#46 Tennessee-4
#47 Serbia-6
#48 Papal State-2
#49 Brittany-2
#50 Honduras-2
#51 Kalinga-2


Europe
Spoiler :
#1 United Kingdom-987
#2 The Confederation-910
#3 Netherlands-891


#4 Sardinia-668
#5 Italy-617

#6 Germany-448
#7 Scandinavia-402
#8 Russia-318
#9 Spain, Republican-272
#10 Denmark-241
#11 Spain, Monarchist-176
#12 Portugal-166
#13 Croatia-146
#14 Bulgaria-94
#15 Corsica-90
#16 Roman Empire-71
#17 Occitania-12
#18 Serbia-6
#17 Papal State-2
#18 Brittany-2


The Americas
Spoiler :
#1 Brazil-1190





#2 Argentina-629

#3 Venezuela-471

#4 Peru-296
#5 Washington-295
#6 Colombia-278

#7 Florida-150
#8 Uruguay-148
#9 Chile-72
#10 Jamaica-49
#11 Cuba-48
#12 Mayan Republic-44
#13 Vinland-37
#14 Jacksonia-36
#15 Paraguay-20
#16 Nicaragua-15
#17 Aztlan-10
#18 Tennessee-4
#19 Honduras-2


Africa, The Middle East & The Far East
Spoiler :
#1 Japan-736




#2 Kongo-314

#3 Persia-209
#4 Oman-158
#5 Turkey-77
#6 Arabian Empire-56
#7 Yemen-46
#8 Hawaii-30
#9 Trovao-16
#10 Pontic Republic-7
#11 Kalinga-2


Interesting Tidbits at first glance: The UK has regained 2nd place, with the Netherlands closing in on the Confederation. Japan, Italy, Florida, the Netherlands and Turkey's navies are growing at a noticeable rate. Kurdistan appears to have sold or scrapped its modern fleet.
 
The Confederation explicitly recognises the Republican government as the sole legitimate government of Spain.

We furthermore declare our intention to support our longstanding ally, Spain, in the suppression of the unjustified and illegal military coup that has usurped control of a large portion of Spain and its colonies, in cooperation with Occitania, by means of sending a significant force from both countries comprised of ground forces and aircraft squadrons.

We would also like to announce the cession of Spanish Aquitaine from Spain to Occitania.

On behalf of the Rhine-Rhone Pact, we also invite Spain, Sardinia, and, subject to Sardinia's acceptance, Corsica, to join our alliance. If Sardinia and Corsica wish to accept later rather than now, the invitation will remain open for the present.

We would like to add that we have no interest in the sort of ridiculous democratic crusading that Brazil seems to engage in: we stand for constitutionalism and the rule of law, and military rule is the most abhorrent of all governments to us. This intervention is a point of conscience for us, and we do not, as widely supposed, as you may now see, have any sympathy with this ridiculous notion that a military coup in a nation allied to us does not warrant our full-blooded intervention. We are their ally and their neighbour; this is nothing short of our duty. Saying this conflict is one for the Spanish to sort out is calculated to bring about the slowest possible conclusion, and merely means that Spain's armies will both be swelled by the money and materiel provided by the allies of each side. What could be more selfish or more ruinous? As long as this is held to be right and proper, true, only Spanish soldiers will die, but they will die in triple the numbers on each side, and for many times as many years.

We also would like to announce that the Spain does not intend to contest Italy's ownership of Tripolitania, and would like to assure Italy that we have no intention of infringing their coastal controls. No action will be undertaken by the Rhine-Rhone pact other than those actions directly necessary to reassert rightful Spanish control over rightfully Spanish territories, but if Germany sees fit to declare war on an alliance whose military resources now far outstrip their own, for the sake of a disillusioned and tyrannical dictator, which we highly doubt, then our forces are already on high alert to receive them.

We would also like to ask the Spanish Republicans to confirm all the above details.
 
To: World
CC: Spain (Monarchist)
From: Pontus


The Pontic Republic recognises the Monarchist government as the sole legitimate government of Spain. The King of Spain is the true leader of the Spanish Nation. We also condem the Brazilian Imperialism.
 
The Empire of Spain does not recognise the Occitanian occupation of Aquitaine. An illegitimate rebel government has no right to sell off rightful Spanish territory to a foreign and hostile power.

To: Peru
From: The Empire of Spain

Spain will not hold elections during the current war, however, as soon as the war is over we promise that we will hold elections to determine the will of the people, though the participating parties will be adjusted to ensure that traitors cannot poison the minds of our people.
 
The Confederation explicitly recognises the Republican government as the sole legitimate government of Spain.

We furthermore declare our intention to support our longstanding ally, Spain, in the suppression of the unjustified and illegal military coup that has usurped control of a large portion of Spain and its colonies, in cooperation with Occitania, by means of sending a significant force from both countries comprised of ground forces and aircraft squadrons.

We would also like to announce the cession of Spanish Aquitaine from Spain to Occitania.

On behalf of the Rhine-Rhone Pact, we also invite Spain, Sardinia, and, subject to Sardinia's acceptance, Corsica, to join our alliance. If Sardinia and Corsica wish to accept later rather than now, the invitation will remain open for the present.

We would like to add that we have no interest in the sort of ridiculous democratic crusading that Brazil seems to engage in: we stand for constitutionalism and the rule of law, and military rule is the most abhorrent of all governments to us. This intervention is a point of conscience for us, and we do not, as widely supposed, as you may now see, have any sympathy with this ridiculous notion that a military coup in a nation allied to us does not warrant our full-blooded intervention. We are their ally and their neighbour; this is nothing short of our duty. Saying this conflict is one for the Spanish to sort out is calculated to bring about the slowest possible conclusion, and merely means that Spain's armies will both be swelled by the money and materiel provided by the allies of each side. What could be more selfish or more ruinous? As long as this is held to be right and proper, true, only Spanish soldiers will die, but they will die in triple the numbers on each side, and for many times as many years.

We also would like to announce that the Spain does not intend to contest Italy's ownership of Tripolitania, and would like to assure Italy that we have no intention of infringing their coastal controls. No action will be undertaken by the Rhine-Rhone pact other than those actions directly necessary to reassert rightful Spanish control over rightfully Spanish territories, but if Germany sees fit to declare war on an alliance whose military resources now far outstrip their own, for the sake of a disillusioned and tyrannical dictator, which we highly doubt, then our forces are already on high alert to receive them.

We would also like to ask the Spanish Republicans to confirm all the above details.

Indeed, we are capable of confirming the all of the above to be true.

So, we officially are joining the Rhine-Rhone pact from this day forward.

A note on Tripolitania, though. We are recognizing your ownership of that land, despite our better judgement. We realize you made a legitimate deal with the holders of that territory, and will not contest it. Know, however, that we would not take kindly to a repeat of this type of deal.

From: Republican Spain
To: Monarchist Spain


Do you see the hypocrisy here? You raised funds for this war by selling Libya. You had no right break apart the empire with the nation so disjointed. Now, we freely give Spanish Aquitaine back to our Occitanian friends and allies. That land is already under the governance of the true democratic government, and you have no authority there. It is naught but folly to attempt to deny it. Even if you somehow defeat ourselves, would you continue on war? For what? That land is not so valuable as to be worth a World War.
 
Indeed, we are capable of confirming the all of the above to be true.

So, we officially are joining the Rhine-Rhone pact from this day forward.

A note on Tripolitania, though. We are recognizing your ownership of that land, despite our better judgement. We realize you made a legitimate deal with the holders of that territory, and will not contest it. Know, however, that we would not take kindly to a repeat of this type of deal.

From: Republican Spain
To: Monarchist Spain


Do you see the hypocrisy here? You raised funds for this war by selling Libya. You had no right break apart the empire with the nation so disjointed. Now, we freely give Spanish Aquitaine back to our Occitanian friends and allies. That land is already under the governance of the true democratic government, and you have no authority there. It is naught but folly to attempt to deny it. Even if you somehow defeat ourselves, would you continue on war? For what? That land is not so valuable as to be worth a World War.

To: Republican Crypo-Proletarists
From: the Empire of Spain


Libya is colonial territory, populated by heathens of no real use to Spain. Aquitaine is rightful Spanish mainland territory, populated by Spaniards. You have hurt all Spaniards by doing this. You are fools, crypto-proletarists, and willing to prostitute themselves to enforce Proletarism and anarchy on our beautiful country.

All Spaniards will truly arm themselves against your tyranny now.
 
From: Republican Spain
To: Monarchist Spain


It is regrettable, but in wartime sacrifices must be made. Secondly, our conditions for turning over Aquitaine provisioned that all Spaniards living there be fully recompensed for the change in government. We demanded that Occitania either make laws to protect the Spanish populace, or pay to move them back to Spain, where we can then relocate them correctly. We did care for the people, which is more than you would have done in our position.

And again with this proletarism nonsense? We have said, repeatedly, that we are not proletariats, despite your continued propaganda. Our current government is a moderate, centrist regime that is left politically only. Economically, we support free market and capitalism.

If you believe what you say, as it seems, then we are nothing but reaffirmed in our will to fight you. You are a greedy and corrupt monarch, who has, and still is, violating the basic rights of all humans. If the choice is between an ultra-authoritarian regime that is a police state, or anarchy, anarchy is actually preferable. From anarchy, progress can be made! From a police state, nothing will change.
 
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