Charlemagne

[Evie]

It’s insulting because it suggests taking a group that is almost absent from the game (Native North Americans), and trying to use them as a way to get more African leaders in instead.

 

[BuchiTaton]

So say we have Haida, Choctaw. Garifuna, Muisca and Guarani civs. Does this sound good?

 

[Patine]

So say we have Haida, Choctaw. Garifuna, Muisca and Guarani civs. Does this sound good?

Haida, Choctaw, Taino, Muisca, and Guarani, as well as Haiti as a Black American civ, would be my preference, there.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Haida, Choctaw, Taino, Muisca, and Guarani, as well as Haiti as a Black American civ, would be my preference, there.

But would any of them be led by Charlemagne?

That is, after all, the subject of this Thread.
(And I say that as one of the Prime Culprits in Hijacking Threads )

 

[BuchiTaton]

Haida, Choctaw, Taino, Muisca, and Guarani, as well as Haiti as a Black American civ, would be my preference, there.

Just remember that the popular leader option for Taino is Anacaona who ruled over what is now the region of Haiti's capital.
Jump from no Caribbean civs to two in the same spot is very unlikely.

 

[BuchiTaton]

But would any of them be led by Charlemagne?

That is, after all, the subject of this Thread.
(And I say that as one of the Prime Culprits in Hijacking Threads )

If he can rule two civs I dont see why not 3 or 4

 

[FishFishFish]

But would any of them be led by Charlemagne?

That is, after all, the subject of this Thread.
(And I say that as one of the Prime Culprits in Hijacking Threads )

Charlemagne Péralte leads Haiti in Sid Meiers Civilization 7!

 

[Zaarin]

But would any of them be led by Charlemagne?

Yes, all of them.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Yes, all of them.

Okay, I'll bite. You come up with the translation of Charles the Great for Taino, here's what I found for Guarani, Choctaw and Haida:

Charles Guasu

Charles Chitakaka

Charles Xaat Kil

According to an article from 2015, Muisca (Chibcha linguistic group) is officially extinct, although there is a project to 'resurrect' it and many individual Muisca words for local plants and animals are still mixed into the local language in Columbia. I couldn't find a comparative for 'good' that might fit Charley's title in a couple of partial reconstructed dictionaries/word lists on line.

 

[Zaarin]

You come up with the translation of Charles the Great for Taino, here's what I found for Guarani, Choctaw and Haida:

Callos Guami'ke'na -- Charles the Great Lord or the Superior Chief -- looks plausible (I ad hocced a translation of Charles, or, well, Carlos). The internet isn't exactly bursting with resources on Taíno or even Arawak.

 

[Patine]

Just remember that the popular leader option for Taino is Anacaona who ruled over what is now the region of Haiti's capital.
Jump from no Caribbean civs to two in the same spot is very unlikely.

There was also Agüeybaná El Bravo as a very good option, as well, who ruled from what is now Puerto Rico. He even has a statue there.

 

[Patine]

Charlemagne Péralte leads Haiti in Sid Meiers Civilization 7!

Okay, I'll bite. You come up with the translation of Charles the Great for Taino, here's what I found for Guarani, Choctaw and Haida:

Charles Guasu

Charles Chitakaka

Charles Xaat Kil

According to an article from 2015, Muisca (Chibcha linguistic group) is officially extinct, although there is a project to 'resurrect' it and many individual Muisca words for local plants and animals are still mixed into the local language in Columbia. I couldn't find a comparative for 'good' that might fit Charley's title in a couple of partial reconstructed dictionaries/word lists on line.

Callos Guami'ke'na -- Charles the Great Lord or the Superior Chief -- looks plausible (I ad hocced a translation of Charles, or, well, Carlos). The internet isn't exactly bursting with resources on Taíno or even Arawak.

Okay, all together now. His name in Olmec and the language of the Norte Chico civilization!

 

[Zaarin]

Okay, all together now. His name in Olmec and the language of the Norte Chico civilization!

qaroluS nIv--no, wait, that's Klingon.

 

[BuchiTaton]

Okay, all together now. His name in Olmec and the language of the Norte Chico civilization!

In Zoque (possibly related to Olmec) greatness is mʌjaˡŋajcuy so there is something.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

In Zoque (possibly related to Olmec) greatness is mʌjaˡŋajcuy so there is something.

According to some of the researchers as of the last time I read up on the Olmecs and their linguistic perambulations (about a year ago), they may have spoken several different languages, and individual Olmec cities may have each had their own language or dialect. This adds an extra layer of frustration and potential problems to finding anything acceptable for a single Olmec Civilization.

 

[reddishrecue]

According to some of the researchers as of the last time I read up on the Olmecs and their linguistic perambulations (about a year ago), they may have spoken several different languages, and individual Olmec cities may have each had their own language or dialect. This adds an extra layer of frustration and potential problems to finding anything acceptable for a single Olmec Civilization.

I once googled Olmec heads and one of them was from Asian descent. I wondered why because most Olmec were from Africa and America when they were connected in Pangea.

 

[Zaarin]

I once googled Olmec heads and one of them was from Asian descent. I wondered why because most Olmec were from Africa and America when they were connected in Pangea.

...Pangaea was millions of years before humans or even hominins appeared, and the Olmecs were all Native Americans, despite various racially-motivated theories to prove that Native Americans couldn't have developed such an impressive civilization.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Charlemagne should be alternate 'astriding' leader that can lead BOTH France and Germany.
UU: Paladin: Regardless of what civ he's leading, he always have Paladins (heals any friendly units within a radius of 1 hex, faith purchase only, bonus combat strenght with religious unit stacked with (similiar to conquistadores), replaces knight.

 

[Evie]

Roughly two hundred millions years ago. It was millions of years before even T-rexes!

...Pangaea was millions of years before humans or even hominins appeared, and the Olmecs were all Native Americans, despite various racially-motivated theories to prove that Native Americans couldn't have developed such an impressive civilization.

 

[aieeegrunt]

From a strictly historical perspective there's a good case to be made that the Franks are a separate civilization that predate (and is ancestral to) both France and Germany's existence as civilizations.

But from a game perspective I doubt very much new civilization will happen even in a hypothetical leader pass II, and I'm loathe to introduce a Frankish civilization when Europe is already so full and other parts of the world already so underrepresented, so I think IF Charlemagne were to be added he'd have to be added as a twin France-German leader as a compromise.

There is a mod that adds him as a Leader for Germany

I think that’s as far as you can fit him in

During my research during my master's, one article mentioned that archaeology in Eastern North America suggests a repeated cycle, going back centuries, of centralization and hierarchy followed by decentralization and anti-hierarchy followed by confederation leading back into hierarchy and centralization, rinse, lather, repeat, with the decentralized stage generally lasting longer. Which is yet another mark against the March of Progress model. (Also funny Hämäläinen should come up. He seems to really be a rising star in Native North American studies; I cited a number of his articles in more than one paper.)

Wealth is allowed to accumulate

The kind of people who accumulate the wealth use it to buy the political process and rig the game in their favor at the expense of the kind of people who do the actual work

Eventually the accumulate parasites bleed the working class to death and everything collapses.

Since this has now become the Non Traditional Civ thread I remember a similar thread that made a very good case for Haiti