[RD] Charlie Kirk assassinated

[Lexicus]

If Tyler had shot five random people on the campus we'd all have already forgotten about it.

 

[JollyRoger]

While I don't necessarily want her to get fired, getting fired is not the same as restriction of free speech. The first amendment protects you from government censorship or punishment, but a private company can fire you if they don't like what you're saying. David Duke got de platformed from social media and he didn't get to complain "you took away my free speech" (or at least he didn't get to sue) because free speech dosen't apply to private companies. I'm not saying this woman is equaivlent to David Duke, but I'm saying free speech protects you from government punishment, but a private company can fire you or ban you.

edit: @Broken_Erika

It's the cancel culture that the right complains about

 

[Broken_Erika]

It's the cancel culture that the right complains about

"It's not cancel culture when we do it!"

 

[GeneralZift]

I find it funny that he was a Zionist and pro-gun advocate, killed at a school with a gun, when he's consistently talked about how much some school children dying is not a big deal as long as we can keep the guns.

Well, not just that, the kids across the world, dying to not just guns, but intentional starvation, well to him it's just a fact of war.

I believe what goes around comes around, and I do not revel in anyone's death, but recommend to others that they should lead a life they can be personally proud of, and not just chase the money by saying and standing for despicable things, as long as they don't affect you.

Shortly before his death, he suggested to his friends and others on podcasts that he is starting to become critical of Israeli government, in a switch-up that Zionist Ben Shapiro entirely on-edge.
He even suggested to a friend that he may be under suspicion of assassination from the Israeli government.

It just so happens that on the day of his death, the assassin was "covered for" by a "crazy" old man with Israeli ties, later went free.
It also just so happens within minutes of his death, the Israeli and American governments already had a response prepared, which they posted simultaneously on Twitter.

This isn't conspiracy obviously, this is just common sense. He was paid to be an advocate, and when he started questioning things, maybe things feel apart between him and his handlers, he was quickly and promptly assassinated to be an example to the other mouthpieces.
Then his death lead to him becoming a so-called martyr for the Zionists. Plus a great opportunity for the right and left to sew more divide.

 

[Theov]

You also include in this all the right wingers who are insisting on everyone agreeing with them that Kirk's death is a bad thing, right?

Yes.
Both right and left wing cancel culture is toxic.

 

[JPetroski]

It's the cancel culture that the right complains about

"It's not cancel culture when we do it!"

Agreed. It's dumb, inconsistent, and takes away credibility from the folks who had this polar shift.

Though I suppose the real test for everyone will be the next time. We had point A, we're now at point B. It will be telling where folks find themselves at Point C (when the shoe flips again). If you kept your position the same as it was at A (whatever that position is), then fine, you're being consistent. If you swapped between A and B, you may just have changed your mind. That's OK too. Maybe you see it how the other side saw it. Nothing wrong with that. If you end up reversing AGAIN at C, and going right back to A, well... Tribal much?

 

[Gori the Grey]

This has done the best job for me of pulling together the various things I've been learning about Robinson, and especially the collection of cryptic memes with which he engraved his cartridges:

It squares with the little bit of online dialogue that NYT released, where after the event, he and his interlocutors are just joking around about it.

After Kirk’s Killing, Suspect Joked That His ‘Doppelganger’ Did It

Before he was arrested on suspicion of carrying out the assassination, 22-year-old Tyler Robinson sent friends messages showing that he was closely following news about the killing.

www.nytimes.com

I took that as a sign of a kind of depraved indifference born of a hopelessness, and I knew enough to know that there were online sites that nurture (?) this nihilism in the young people who feel it. But she pulls a lot together in a way that I think usefully informs the discussion.

Dude did it for the lulz, in other words, but "doing something for the lulz" has a very specific valence within the online culture into which he descended.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Here is the latest from Fox and Friends.

FBI Director Kash is dropping some more breadcrumbs.
Apparently Tyler Robinson wrote that he was going to kill Charlie Kirk because he hated what he stood for.

Tyler Robinson is also reported to not be co-operating with authorities.

 

[Lexicus]

Suspect the "non-cooperation" may be refusing to "admit" that he's a leftist

 

[Gori the Grey]

I mean, it's silly every time it gets said. A defendant's best interests are precisely not to cooperate with investigators.

 

[Arwon]

who were OK with cancel culture

A bunch of the Americans who think "cancel culture" is a thing and you can't say anything any more without the left screaming at you and destroying you... also apparently think a guy who wrote "if you read this you are gay" is clearly some left wing ideologue.

 

[Garabaldi]

It's the cancel culture that the right complains about

It's cancel culture to get people fired for rejecting new pervert morality. It is not cancel culture to fire people for being evil gouls celebrating an evil murder of a father that represents at least half the country. Turns out people don't like working in a hostile work environment where their coworkers post on social media that they are happy to see conservatives gunned down. This why they are getting fired. Unless you like working with people that have said they will be happy to see you dead.

 

[Lexicus]

I mean, it's silly every time it gets said. A defendant's best interests are precisely not to cooperate with investigators.

Yeah it's a bit weird, normally you say that of third parties in an investigation, not the accused.

 

[JPetroski]

It's cancel culture to get people fired for rejecting new pervert morality. It is not cancel culture to fire people for being evil gouls celebrating an evil murder of a father that represents at least half the country. Turns out people don't like working in a hostile work environment where their coworkers post on social media that they are happy to see conservatives gunned down. This why they are getting fired. Unless you like working with people that have said they will be happy to see you dead.

Careful now. Some people like making up their own definitions of words for things like "violence" and asserting that the rejection of what you laid out qualifies. Far better for the world that we all simply grow a thicker skin and learn to hit mute when someone says something we don't like. Getting someone fired for being happy your hero died when they view him as a villain is 100% cancel culture and stupid.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Yeah it's a bit weird, normally you say that of third parties in an investigation, not the accused.

I mean, there are plea deals and stuff, but on the whole "it's your job to build a case against me; why should I help you?"

 

[Evie]

I generally tend to agree when it comes to speeches and opinions, specifically. But muting, of course, is not always an option. Some messages and messengers have, in one way or another, the ability to override your mute setting and force you to listen to them even when they are expressing personal opinions rather than doing whatever the thing their mute override is designed for.

So, it's not always so simple.

 

[JPetroski]

I generally tend to agree when it comes to speeches and opinions, specifically. But muting, of course, is not always an option. Some messages and messengers have, in one way or another, the ability to override your mute setting and force you to listen to them even when they are expressing personal opinions rather than doing whatever the thing their mute override is designed for.

I find that rolling my eyes, shrugging my shoulders, and saying "what a jerk" works pretty well when the mute button doesn't. We choose to be offended which is often silly especially if you think the person offending you is an idiot or crazy.

 

[Birdjaguar]

It's cancel culture to get people fired for rejecting new pervert morality. It is not cancel culture to fire people for being evil gouls celebrating an evil murder of a father that represents at least half the country. Turns out people don't like working in a hostile work environment where their coworkers post on social media that they are happy to see conservatives gunned down. This why they are getting fired. Unless you like working with people that have said they will be happy to see you dead.

He did not represent half the country. He was an evangelical Christian nationalist.

Christian nationalism has been linked to prejudice towards minority groups. Christian nationalism has been loosely defined as a belief that "celebrate and privilege[the sacred history, liberty, and rightful rule of white conservatives". Christian nationalism prioritizes an ethno-cultural, ethno-religious, and ethno-nationalist framing around fear of "the other", those being immigrants, racial, and sexual minorities. Studies have associated Christian nationalism with xenophobia, homophobia, misogyny, political tolerance of racists, opposition to interracial unions, support for gun rights, pronatalism, and restricting the civil rights of those who fail to conform to traditional ideals of whiteness, citizenship, and Protestantism. The Christian nationalist belief system includes elements of patriarchy, white supremacy, nativism, and heteronormativity. It has been associated with a "conquest narrative", premillennial apocalypticism, and of frequent "rhetoric of blood, specifically, of blood sacrifice to an angry God".

American Christian nationalism is based on a worldview that America is superior to other countries, and that such superiority is divinely established. It posits that only Christians are "true Americans". Christian nationalism also bears overlap with the American militia movement. The 1992 Ruby Ridge standoff and the 1993 Waco siege served as a catalyst for the growth of militia activity among Christian nationalists. Christian nationalists believe that the US is meant to be a Christian nation, and that it was founded as a Christian nation, and want to "take back" the US for God.

Christian nationalists feel that their values and religion are threatened and marginalized, and fear their freedom to preach their moral values will be no longer dominant at best or outlawed at worst. Experimental research found that support of Christian nationalism increased when Christian Americans were told of their demographic decline. Studies have shown Christian nationalists to exhibit higher levels of anger, depression, anxiety, and emotional distress. It has been theorized that Christian nationalists fear that they are "not living up to" God's expectations, and "fear the wrath and punishment" of not creating the country desired by God.

See below; in any case CNs are no where near 50% of the population and more likely way less than 20%. Supporting Trump does not make one supporter of Charlie Kirk.

How Many Americans Are Christian Nationalists, Really?

A new study of religious nationalism across the globe defines only 6% of Americans as Christian nationalist. Why?

sojo.net

^^^ PEW Research puts the adherents at 6-10%

And more is here:

Christian Nationalism Across All 50 States: Insights from PRRI’s 2024 American Values Atlas

PRRI interviewed more than 22,000 adults throughout 2024 as part of the PRRI American Values Atlas to continue monitoring the spread of support for Christian nationalism and the factors driving such…

prri.org

Executive Summary​

In 2024, PRRI released a groundbreaking national survey that provided for the first time the ability to estimate support for Christian nationalism in all 50 states. Building on that work throughout 2024, PRRI interviewed more than 22,000 adults as part of the PRRI American Values Atlas to continue monitoring the spread of support for Christian nationalism and the factors driving such views.

Three in ten Americans continue to qualify as Christian nationalism Adherents or Sympathizers.

• In 2024, three in ten Americans qualified as Christian nationalism Adherents (10%) or Sympathizers (20%), compared with two-thirds who qualified as Skeptics (37%) or Rejecters (29%).[/S][/S]
• These percentages have remained stable since PRRI first asked these questions in late 2022.

 

[Canadian Bluebeer]

what's with the strikeouts?

edit: ahh, an oopsie. heh.

 

[Evie]

Rolling shoulders may deal with the opinion, but it seldom does anything about the questionable use of power inherent in taking advantage of a captive audience that one has access to for a very specific purpose to pontificate highly controversial opinions where others have to hear them out. The later, I find far more objectionable than the opinion itself.