[RD] Charlie Kirk assassinated

[Thorgalaeg]

I don't imagine Jesuchrist considering people irrelevant. In what part of the bible does he says that?

 

[Ordnael]

I mean irrelevant for the way I perceive the values I try to uphold.
Irrelevant to to way I lead my life.
I was picking on @Birdjaguar's friend sneer for his non evangelical friends.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

I mean irrelevant for the way I perceive the values I try to uphold.
Irrelevant to to way I lead my life.
I was picking on @Birdjaguar's friend sneer for his non evangelical friends.

I was doing the same.

Btw, evangelicals are not considered irrelevant by catholics, they are considered a sect.

 

[Sommerswerd]

What an awesome rumor! Any truth to it, do you think?

I doubt there were any real plans, but it was definitely a rumor that surfaced shortly after Kimmel was suspended and Stewart started speaking in support of him. That's why I wondered what impact, if any the rumor might have played in getting Kimmel back on the air.

The original source of the rumor seems to be a Facebook post that went viral:
https://www.facebook.com/Rawishkuma...aybook-but-did-they-also-bui/821005793770783/

 

[Ordnael]

I was doing the same.

Btw, evangelicals are not considered irrelevant by catholics, they are considered a sect.

From what I perceive, Evangelicals here in Portugal, I suspect in Spain it's the same, are Catholics that "spend more time interpreting the gospels" than the regular Sunday Catholic mass. They don't seem as dangerous zealots as the ones in the US!
...
I might be making a confusion with the Seventh-day Adventists though!

 

[Snowygerry]

As I understand they rely on Jesus Christ as their saviour, rather than take it up with God Himself as most religious people do ? It's a protestant sect though, so I would not expect them to gain much traction in traditionally Catholic nations like Spain and Portugal...

The memorial was a rather cringe spectacle to be honest, to each his own. Glad there is an ocean between us

 

[GenMarshall]

it I was doing the same.

Btw, evangelicals are not considered irrelevant by catholics, they are considered a sect.

From what I perceive, Evangelicals here in Portugal, I suspect in Spain it's the same, are Catholics that "spend more time interpreting the gospels" than the regular Sunday Catholic mass. They don't seem as dangerous zealots as the ones in the US!
...
I might be making a confusion with the Seventh-day Adventists though!

Here in the US. Evangelicals (technically in its long form “Evangelical Protestantism”) tend to lately occupy the Protestant sect of Christianity, as denoted earlier. With some delineation within mainline Protestantism v. evangelical Protestantism, if one has a keen eye and know what to look out for. Evangelicals can be found amongst Baptists, Lutherans, and Anglicans/Episcopalians sects. Since the evangelical movement transcends amongst different Protestant branches. Some Protestant branches, like the American Baptist Churches U.S.A. aren’t Evangelical and are just a mainline Protestant. While the Southern Baptist Convention is evangelical Protestant.

More details can be found here in this wiki article “Mainline vs Evangelical”.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

From what I perceive, Evangelicals here in Portugal, I suspect in Spain it's the same, are Catholics that "spend more time interpreting the gospels" than the regular Sunday Catholic mass. They don't seem as dangerous zealots as the ones in the US!
...
I might be making a confusion with the Seventh-day Adventists though!

Here in Spain evangelicals are mostly gypsies (roma). Almost exclusively I would say.

 

[Ordnael]

Here in Spain evangelicals are mostly gypsies (roma). Almost exclusively I would say.

Then I might, indeed, be making a confusion with Seventh-day Adventists.

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[Ziggy Stardust]

Jimmy Kimmel And The Death of Free Speech​

 

[Kaitzilla]

Jimmy Kimmel And The Death of Free Speech​

Whoever sues the government for jawboning and violating the 1st Amendment will probably end up lacking standing or somesuch.

Murthy v. Missouri - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Kimmel thing sure doesn't feel over.

Disney Could Face Choice Between Kimmel and NFL: Sources

Disney is trying to figure out a path for Jimmy Kimmel's return. But in doing so, it could jeopardize a landmark ESPN/NFL deal, warn sources.

frontofficesports.com

Guess we will see how his opening monologue goes tonight.
Will his crew rebel for lack of pushback?
Will Jimmy triple down?!

Sinclair will not be airing it.

Sinclair ABC stations won’t air ‘Jimmy Kimmel Live!’ despite return to network

“Discussions with ABC are ongoing as we evaluate the show’s potential return,” Sinclair announced

nypost.com

They had to cancel the Charlie Kirk tribute after the death threats and bullets fired at an ABC station in California.

Exclusive | Charlie Kirk tribute scrapped by Sinclair after local TV giant got threats against its ABC stations: source

The company, which owns more than 40 ABC stations, earlier said it would replace “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” with the special following Kimmel’s suspension.

nypost.com

Last week, a gunman fired at least three shots into the lobby of a Tegna-owned ABC affiliate in Sacramento, Calif. There were no injuries. Authorities arrested the suspect, who was later freed on bail. The FBI then took the suspect into custody.

In the days that followed, Sinclair executives grew increasingly concerned that airing the Kirk tribute would potentially inspire copycat crimes similar to the shooting in Sacramento, according to the source, who asked not to be identified.

**Edit**
I think I read somewhere Sinair wants an apology and a donation to Turning Point USA.

I don't think there is a chance of them getting that.

 

[Theov]

This is QED proof he wasn't a lefty

You are completely unable to read what is there.
A grieving widow, who saw her husband get shot, forgives the killer.
And you see that as an opportunity to see it as proof that "look he wasn't on my team".
How desperate are you?

lol

 

[EvaDK]

I wonder what role Kimmel's rumored plan to start his own show/network with Jon Stewart and Rachel Maddow played in this decision.

Apparently a lot of subscribers ended (or stated they planned to end) their Disney+/Hulu subscriptions because of Kimmelgate, that it amounted to several billion dollars of lost revenue to Disney. And Disney likes making money more than they like to cozy up to Trump and his brownshirts, it seems.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I don't imagine Jesuchrist considering people irrelevant. In what part of the bible does he says that?

My sense of it the use of "irrelevance" is tied to the idea that those who are not of similar evangelical beliefs have no bearing or influence on them; those non believers, Christian or not, can be disregarded on all matters of religion, faith or lifestyle. I see it as a wall to protect and isolate them from any influences that might contaminate their view of God and life. Non believers can be useful and even interesting, but must be kept at a distance.

 

[Hygro]

What ?

If I say:
"Right wing ideology is inherently violent"
It does not mean I'm also saying:
"Left wingers are never violent"

This is really really really really really really basic logic. Sometimes in speech people do imply a full opposite, so it's important to think critically and know when is when.

So I gave you the orc vs human example, but that's risk analysis which is a little more complex than first semester high school geometry (where logic is taught).

Hygro "Orcs are inherently violent"
Cake "But some famous humans were just as violent"
Unanswered question: what value do you add criticizing humans when the only alternative is orcs? It's a fantasy example, there are no orcs. But it illustrates something.

What something is doesn't matter because when have you ever engaged this type of post on its terms ever

here lies Hygro, died of hitting his head on a wall, heard yelling "All orcs are rectangles but not all rectangles are orcs"

 

[Lexicus]

You are completely unable to read what is there.
A grieving widow, who saw her husband get shot, forgives the killer.
And you see that as an opportunity to see it as proof that "look he wasn't on my team".
How desperate are you?

"A time of healing, a time of whatever"
-Donald Trump

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

"A time of healing, a time of whatever"
-Donald Trump

He was half right.

 

[Gori the Grey]

I guess this is the thread for this.

Man, Kimmel's knocking it out of the park.

Di Niro bit good as well.

 

[Theov]

"A time of healing, a time of whatever"
-Donald Trump

Another day, another misquote.

“Want to look at it as a time of healing, a time of whatever, that something like this could've happened — is not even believable,”​

 

[Sommerswerd]

That's not usually how the term is used, cake. It means "witness" (in an old sense of that word that maybe still lingers in the phrase "witness to a belief.") Someone who is an outspoken proponent of a particular belief system (and especially to the extent of being willing to die for it). So 1) it is not defined primarily in terms of death (you can witness to a belief in ways even shy of dying for it) and 2) it is not defined primarily in terms of the people who oppose you, but in terms of your own belief system. The Christian martyrs are not defined in terms of the fact that Romans (initially) killed them, but that they died professing Christianity.

To be a martyr, then, in the generally accepted sense of the term, you have to proclaim some set of beliefs fervently, and be willing even to go to your death on behalf of them. That's why I was so interested to hear what they think he is a martyr for. Free speech was one option. And a few speakers mentioned that. But the strong message that came through the event was that he was being regarded as a Christian martyr: for believing in, and working toward, America being a Christian nation.

Literally zero mention (in the last hour and a half of the event) of the glories of freedom of worship: how "Sikh and Sufi, Mormon and Muslim all find a welcoming home in our great nation." Rather "Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. He gloriously became human and lived among us. Then died for our sins." There is one religion, the right religion, and Charlie tirelessly promoted it.

In fact, that's the main thing I learned about him from the event. His own motivations were not primarily political, but religious. He was happiest when one of his visits to a campus got some student to get baptized or start attending church, and only secondarily if they became a Republican voter (though he thought the second would naturally follow from the first). He operated kind of like an old-time revivalist preacher.

The now infamously ironic comment he made about gun-deaths being a necessary sacrifice to preserve gun-rights is analysis-worthy in this regard.

My take on this is that its more schtick... ie Kirk didn't actually believe this as a principle to the point that he was actually willing to die for it... he was mostly just being an edgelord/trolling when he said it at best, and at worst, never thought for a second that he himself might die to gun violence, but considered that other people would die for it, and was indifferent to their deaths.