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Chavez: Carlos the Jackal, Idi Amin... good?

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BBC News said:
Venezuela's Hugo Chavez defends 'Carlos the Jackal'

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has defended jailed killer "Carlos the Jackal" and several world leaders he says are wrongly considered "bad guys".

In a speech to international socialist politicians, Mr Chavez said "Carlos", a Venezuelan, was not a terrorist but a key "revolutionary fighter".

He is serving a life sentence in France for murders committed in 1975.

Mr Chavez also hailed Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe, Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the late Ugandan dictator Idi Amin.

'Great nationalist'

Carlos, whose real name is Ilich Ramirez Sanchez, gained international notoriety in the 1970s as a mastermind of deadly bombings, assassinations and hostage-takings.

He was captured in Sudan in 1994 and handed over to France, where he was jailed for killing two French intelligence officers and an alleged informer in 1975.

In his speech late on Friday in Caracas, Mr Chavez said: "I defend him. It doesn't matter to me what they say tomorrow in Europe."

He said he believed Carlos had been unfairly convicted, and called him "one of the great fighters of the Palestine Liberation Organisation".

The Venezuelan leader has previously called Carlos a friend, and is reported to have exchanged letters with him in the past.

In his speech, Mr Chavez also described Presidents Mugabe and Ahmadinejad - who like Mr Chavez are strong critics of the US - as brothers.

About former Ugandan President Idi Amin, Mr Chavez said: "We thought he was a cannibal... I don't know, maybe he was a great nationalist, a patriot."

Idi Amin seized power in 1971. About 300,000 people were killed during his eight-year rule.
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Anyone here still willing to defend Chavez as being a democrat? :crazyeye:
 
"President Ngo Dinh Diem stands for the highest qualities of heroism and statesmanship...The president of Vietnam, by his inspiring leadership, is opening up vast new areas for the peaceful progress of mankind." - President Dwight D. Eisenhower, a freedom hating tyrant :mad:
 
amadeus said:
Anyone here still willing to defend Chavez as being a democrat? :crazyeye:
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Well I don't really see how it has anything to do with his views of democracy, so much as it shows that he is pretty delusional about some things. I'm also going to take a stab at the comments being taken out of context (feel free to say that I'm just defending him because he's leftist; I'm not, his comments just don't make sense). Surely there has to be a reason why he defended and complimented Idi Amin.
 
Camikaze said:
Well I don't really see how it has anything to do with his views of democracy, so much as it shows that he is pretty delusional about some things. I'm also going to take a stab at the comments being taken out of context (feel free to say that I'm just defending him because he's leftist; I'm not, his comments just don't make sense). Surely there has to be a reason why he defended and complimented Idi Amin.
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With the constant blackouts, maybe he's taken to cannibalism himself? :yumyum:

Besides, Idi Amin's awesome. He practiced polygamy, travelled to London unannounced to purchase shoes, declared himself the "Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular," and invaded a larger, wealthier nation with a far superior military in both numbers and equipment, not to mention skill. He may have been a murderous bastard, but damn he was an entertaining one.
 
How can anyone not think Forest Whitaker is good?
 
Azale said:
"President Ngo Dinh Diem stands for the highest qualities of heroism and statesmanship...The president of Vietnam, by his inspiring leadership, is opening up vast new areas for the peaceful progress of mankind." - President Dwight D. Eisenhower, a freedom hating tyrant :mad:
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:lol:

Here is the apparent quote about Idi Amin:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iWTsnsM0rYELrgPSOLNaBZm-wI4gD9C4MMN05

"We thought he was a cannibal," Chavez said on Friday, referring to Amin, whose regime was notorious for torturing and killing suspected opponents in the 1970s. "I have doubts. ... I don't know, maybe he was a great nationalist, a patriot."
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That sounds fairly ambiguous to me, especially since I consider nationalists and patriots to frequently be nothing but terrorists with air forces. Did Idi Amin eat people or not? I have my own doubts...

And ironically, many American politicians and others extolled Idi Amin, at least in his early years after he usurped power with a military coup...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin

Notable backers of Amin included Muammar al-Gaddafi's Libya, the Soviet Union and East Germany,[2][3][4] with early support for his regime coming from Great Britain, Israel, and Apartheid South Africa[/B].[5]

In 1975–1976, Amin became the Chairman of the Organisation of African Unity, a pan-Africanist group designed to promote solidarity of the African states.[6] During the 1977–1979 period, Uganda was appointed to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights.[7] From 1977 to 1979, Amin titled himself as "His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC,[C] DSO, MC, Conqueror of the British Empire".[8]
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It took the US until 1973 to break diplomatic relations with his government, and only after Amin had nationalized British industry and started getting his arms from Libya and the Soviet Union:

Following the expulsion of Ugandan Asians in 1972, most of whom were of Indian descent, India severed diplomatic relations with Uganda. The same year, as part of his "economic war", Amin broke diplomatic ties with Britain and nationalised 85 British-owned businesses.

That same year, relations with Israel soured. Although Israel had previously supplied Uganda with arms, in 1972 Amin expelled Israeli military advisers and turned to Muammar al-Gaddafi of Libya and the Soviet Union for support.[26] Amin became an outspoken critic of Israel.[35] In the documentary film General Idi Amin Dada: A Self Portrait, he discussed his plans for war against Israel, using paratroops, bombers and suicide squadrons.[11] Amin later stated that Hitler "was right to burn six million Jews"[36].

In 1973, U.S. Ambassador Thomas Patrick Melady recommended that the United States reduce its presence in Uganda. Melady described Amin's regime as "racist, erratic and unpredictable, brutal, inept, bellicose, irrational, ridiculous, and militaristic".[37] Accordingly, the United States closed its embassy in Kampala.
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But finally, Nixon did "react" to them ... by whining about how "State" sides with "blacks" in Africa:


Link to video.

Screw state. State is always on the side of the blacks. The hell with them.
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But I bet all this created quite a stir on Fox News where the only good terrorists are US-backed ones, and the only bad brutal totalitarian leaders are the ones which nationalize foreign companies...
 
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“The Shah (of Iran) was - despite the travesties of retroactive myth - a dedicated reformer”- Henry Kissinger

Shah of Iran and Jimmy Carter

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Reagan, Carter, and Bush were all dictators. Fascist supporting dictators.
 
Karalysia said:
No gay make-out sessions by our Presidents for oil! I thought we went to war over this.
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I'm under the impression that those kind of kisses are very masculine in the context of that culture. Wrong?
 
Karalysia said:
only if ur a homo!!!!111111 omg lolololololololololololololol !!!!11111
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/facepalm.


Go look up the definition of cultural context.
 
Miles Teg said:
Chavez is rapidly climbing my list of South American dictators with inexplicable support from some Americans. Not sure if he's passed Pinochet yet. :(
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He's a populist idiot, not a dictator.
 
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