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[steveg700]

Dumb ol' Attila settled a city right between two of my allies, both of which are mercantile CS's. After I issued a DoW, Colombo marched over and conquered it. As is the general case with CS's, it razed the city--and in this case it left behind some nice jewelry lying amidst the ruins.

Oddest thing is that Colombo didn't even have jewelry originally. They had porcelain.

Anyway, hadn't read of anyone discovering this little exploit yet. Thought it was worth sharing. Give it a try!

 

[Sporaticus]

I had Lhasa do something similar when I was conducting a proxy war against the Ottomans. I kept gifting them artillery and cavalry, and they eventually conquered and razed a minor city. After a while, I got bored and took Istanbul myself. Lhasa had left me with a nice, prepared space for a city, complete with a road, so all I had to do was buy a settler.

One of these days, I need to find out if barbarians raze cities or keep them. I'll drop a city near a remote camp, set it on "Avoid Growth", and let them capture it.

 

[Miravlix]

Barbarians ransom cities, they can't capture.

It gives a achievement.

 

[Sporaticus]

Barbarians ransom cities, they can't capture.

It gives a achievement.

Dang, I wish I could do that! Well, thanks to my alcoholic neighbors, I am wide awake and have nothing better to do than play some Civ! I may as well snag another achievement......

 

[Huaojozu]

On a possibly related note, when Austria marries into a Mercantile city-state, they do not lose the bonus of Jewelry or Porcelain. It would seem that these Luxury resources are seeded beneath the actual CS tile so that even capturing them should yield you their Luxury resource.

 

[Halcyan2]

On a possibly related note, when Austria marries into a Mercantile city-state, they do not lose the bonus of Jewelry or Porcelain. It would seem that these Luxury resources are seeded beneath the actual CS tile so that even capturing them should yield you their Luxury resource.

Yes, that is correct. In fact, Austria is the only civ that can trade away Jewelry/Porcelain (normally you can't trade luxuries that CS' provide you but in Austria's case they become part of the empire).

 

[anandus]

Mind you, you can't do anything with that jewelry if you'd settle a city there, but I don't know if one of those mercantile CS's can do something with it when gets within borders?

 

[Yzman]

What do you mean you can't do anything with it? Are you saying if you found a city on the tile you won't get the happiness or that if its not under your city you can't get the happiness?

 

[anandus]

What do you mean you can't do anything with it? Are you saying if you found a city on the tile you won't get the happiness or that if its not under your city you can't get the happiness?

Indeed, I believe so.
There was a thread about it earlier, I think.

Although I'm not sure, so a test would be nice

 

[fenwayb]

Indeed, I believe so.
There was a thread about it earlier, I think.

Although I'm not sure, so a test would be nice

I'm almost positive building a city on a resource gives you the resource...

 

[Andulias]

I'm almost positive building a city on a resource gives you the resource...

I am 100% certain this is the case. You won't get to improve it, but you get the actual resource, it's a tactical choice that has been a part of Civ for a while.

 

[anandus]

I'm almost positive building a city on a resource gives you the resource...

I am 100% certain this is the case. You won't get to improve it, but you get the actual resource, it's a tactical choice that has been a part of Civ for a while.

Yes, with 'normal' resources, but the question is, do we have confirmation that it also works for mercantile resources?

Does anybody have a savegame or screenshot that has a city on jewelry or porcelain?

 

[Halcyan2]

I haven't experimented with razed cities leaving behind porcelain and jewelry.

1. If it's not on a city, what type of improvement (if any) is needed to access it? It could be that none of the existing ones (mine/plantation/etc) will do the job so that you need to settle on it.

2. Normally settling on a resource will give you access to the resource *if* you have the necessary technology. Once again, I'm not sure what technology/improvement is needed to access porcelain/jewelry. Presumably there should be some since I've seen Austria have it tradeable after marrying/conquering city states.

 

[zan_laurin]

Does anybody have a savegame or screenshot that has a city on jewelry or porcelain?

As soon as I'm on my pc I'll post your screenshot.
I have tried this countless times, in my latest save game I own 3 ex CS that grant me porcelain and/or jewelry. It's not a bug, it's how it was designed apparently.

I'm not sure if one can build an improvement like a camp or mine in order to give that resource, it most probably only works if a city is built on top.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Some rational facts about the issue
1. This was already discovered in a single screenshot where people noticed Dutch retained Porcelain despite having Marrkaech (mercentile cs) in their control. So we already knew something like that exists
2. What I DO find weird is that the game created a BRAND NEW resource for Colombo, I guess it's scripted, any city of Mercentile City states will create a brand new unit of that luxury resource, I think this should be fixed, probably this is so to avoid the map scripts generating these two resources without city states (in World Editor, you can plop down those two)
3. The only downfall of ploping down a city on top of a resource is the loss of Gold, Culture, Science, Food, Production, you however retain the "control" of it, and gain the happiness bonus. But it is better to plop it down NEXT to a resource, because it makes the city perform better.

 

[Yzman]

Some rational facts about the issue
1. This was already discovered in a single screenshot where people noticed Dutch retained Porcelain despite having Marrkaech (mercentile cs) in their control. So we already knew something like that exists
2. What I DO find weird is that the game created a BRAND NEW resource for Colombo, I guess it's scripted, any city of Mercentile City states will create a brand new unit of that luxury resource, I think this should be fixed, probably this is so to avoid the map scripts generating these two resources without city states (in World Editor, you can plop down those two)
3. The only downfall of ploping down a city on top of a resource is the loss of Gold, Culture, Science, Food, Production, you however retain the "control" of it, and gain the happiness bonus. But it is better to plop it down NEXT to a resource, because it makes the city perform better.

Unless I misread it from this post, I don't think you confirmed this. If I find jewelry on the ground from a razed city, do I need to put a new city on top of it in order to get the happiness of it, or is it enough to have it in my city radius? I have a feeling it needs the city since I doubt any of the current improvements would improve it, unless it doesn't need an improvement for some reason.

 

[JFD]

Yes, that is correct. In fact, Austria is the only civ that can trade away Jewelry/Porcelain (normally you can't trade luxuries that CS' provide you but in Austria's case they become part of the empire).

Following Napoleon's conquest of Antwerp, he was able to sell me Jewellary...

 

[JFD]

Double Post - somehow.

 

[Halcyan2]

Following Napoleon's conquest of Antwerp, he was able to sell me Jewellary...

Nevermind, you're right.

I normally don't kill CS (the diplomacy penalty is hefty and I'd rather save my warmonger leeway for DoW on major civs). But yeah, if you conquer lots of Mercantile cities and keep the cities then you can sell those luxuries as well.