China backs up Iran

[Nobody]

Because the other nations you listed aren't run by religious radicals.

Israel has nukes. would it be wrong for democratic germany to bomb the jewish state to stop them buliding them. Come on Israels nukes could reach germany. Germany is Predominatnly Christain. Israel has got reasons to not like germany.

(germany is a random nation within isreals range who happens to have a airforce. i dont think germany is agressive or anything)

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Would it be wrong for a democratic nation to bulid nukes? if say japan or australia was buliding nukes would that be ok? China has then why cant japan? and who knows when indonesias going to get in aussies face.

America is known to use nukes Iran isnt. America invaded two countrys in the last 3 years, they send small military forces around the world (liberia, the phillipens). Iran hasnt attacked anyone or sent troops around the world. America gave money to dictators and terrorists (Augusto Pinochet and afganistan rebels during the soviet invashion). America openly threatens nations with nuclear death (MAD Doctrine and few years ago they put out a list of countrys they plan to nuke) iran dosent. Even if iran was helping the Palastines, america helps israel. So iran dosent always follow UN nuclear guide lines. America ignors the United nations completely.

The worlds biggest superpower named iran in a Axis of Evil and all but declared war on them, is it so bad if iran wants weapons to defend themselves. America has already started working on its hit list and invaded irans neighbour.

China wants to make allies in the middle east so talks about using its veto power to do this. Well America has allies in the middle east and uses it veto power to stop them being critised.

and just to anoy people, i think grid iron sucks, gays should have rights and Osama isnt all bad.

 

[G-Man]

Iran also does not support Islamic terrorism in Israel -- they may hate the Israelis, but the Sunni Muslims who dominate the regions around Israel hate the Iranian Shi'ite Muslims and the Israelis equally. Iran supports anti-Israeli terrorism in its dreams; in reality, very few anti-Israeli terrorists would accept Iranian aid. One of the primary goals of the Arab League is to plot against Iran (after plotting against Israel and fixing oil prices).

You haven't got the slightest clue what you're talking about, do you? Iran supports the hezzbollah, and through it the hamas and PIJ, as well as factions within the Al Aqsa martyrs brigade. Several weapon shipments were caught coming from Lebanon to Gaza, as well as a large cargo ship full of arms caught coming from Iran and with Iranian weapons on it on its way to Gaza. Just because they fight each other in Iraq doesn't mean Shi'ites and Sunnis do it everywhere.

http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/default.htm

Solution: Ignore Iran. They are bluffing.

I assume you're taking that from the same sources that told you Iran doesn't support terrorism?

 

[G-Man]

Israel has nukes. would it be wrong for democratic germany to bomb the jewish state to stop them buliding them. Come on Israels nukes could reach germany. Germany is Predominatnly Christain. Israel has got reasons to not like germany.

(germany is a random nation within isreals range who happens to have a airforce. i dont think germany is agressive or anything)

Both Israel and Germany are democracies, and though they have religious populations the states are not run according to religious rules or by religious leaders. Also, Israel's nukes are used for deterance only - you don't see Israel supporting terror organizations and then using its nukes in order to protect it from the consequences. Iran does support terrorism, massively, and once they have nukes no one will dare to fight them no matter what they do.

The worlds biggest superpower named iran in a Axis of Evil and all but declared war on them, is it so bad if iran wants weapons to defend themselves. America has already started working on its hit list and invaded irans neighbour.

Ofcource from an Iranian point of view it's better to be immune to foreign forces. But the question is if they should be allowed to get that ability. And the answer is clearly no, because once they get nukes we'll lose the deterance that kept them from activating their terror organizations at full force.

 

[PantheraTigris2]

I would have to strongly disagree that 'Iran is bluffing'. ...as they chant "Death to America" while voting for

 

[Zardnaar]

Iran would be very stupid to use a nuke. Even religeous fundies have a concept of MAD- well actually only on them. 1 American city goes up in a nuclear blast and if Iran is suspected of doing it its populations gets to be on a 1st name basis with Allah.

 

[silver 2039]

Why does it disturb people for Iran to have nukes but not Pakistan? Once Mushraff goes who do you think will take power? The fundementalists.

 

[nihilistic]

Because the other nations you listed aren't run by religious radicals.

Amusing how this came from a Bush supporter.

Why does it disturb people for Iran to have nukes but not Pakistan? Once Mushraff goes who do you think will take power? The fundementalists.

Pretty much the same thing I was thinking. Not only are there Islamic fundies there, they also have a dormant but ready to explode issue: Kashmir.

 

[boogaboo]

Every muslim state is different.. and has a hated target...
I have to move to another city soon...

 

[silver 2039]

Every muslim state is different.. and has a hated target...
I have to move to another city soon...

I would recomennd another country. Same goes for me.

 

[G-Man]

Iran would be very stupid to use a nuke. Even religeous fundies have a concept of MAD- well actually only on them. 1 American city goes up in a nuclear blast and if Iran is suspected of doing it its populations gets to be on a 1st name basis with Allah.

Most countries who own nukes prefer to use them without activating them. What will the US do if Hezzbollah, who already showed it has the ability to operate in American, will commit a 9/11 like attack (which they've already tried to do in Israel)? Will they invade a country that has nukes and balistic missiles?

 

[boogaboo]

I would recomennd another country. Same goes for me.

I thought Tel-Aviv IS my country...
I've been in Tel-Aviv and around for almost 28 years (minus a few months abroad). Do you suggest Israel posses something other than Tel-Aviv??
Jerusalem? small city which no one will nuke..
Haifa? too many arabs still live there, and it doesn't compare to Tel-Aviv.

India? why fear nukes, noone will bomb all of you.. perhaps a random city, but this makes you still quite safe (safety of big numbers..).

 

[silver 2039]

I thought Tel-Aviv IS my country...
I've been in Tel-Aviv and around for almost 28 years (minus a few months abroad). Do you suggest Israel posses something other than Tel-Aviv??
Jerusalem? small city which no one will nuke..
Haifa? too many arabs still live there, and it doesn't compare to Tel-Aviv.

India? why fear nukes, noone will bomb all of you.. perhaps a random city, but this makes you still quite safe (safety of big numbers..).

Well with the sucide bombings and all Israel is'nt exactly the safest place in the world plus the fact all the countries around you hate you does'nt help.
As for India Pakistan and China are'nt exactly buddies. There will be a nuclear war and I don't plan to be here when it happens. Espically in Bangalore.

 

[boogaboo]

I'm just in the mood, so..

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[G-Man]

Well with the sucide bombings and all Israel is'nt exactly the safest place in the world plus the fact all the countries around you hate you does'nt help.
As for India Pakistan and China are'nt exactly buddies. There will be a nuclear war and I don't plan to be here when it happens. Espically in Bangalore.

There aren't suicide bombings in northern Israel... As to your area, hopefully such a war can be avoided. A nuclear war involving a third of the world's population is not a threat to be taken lightly.

 

[boogaboo]

There aren't suicide bombings in northern Israel

There ain't much but there is..
surprised to hear you say this..

 

[Winner]

Funny - Americans are troubled in Iraq, but again thinking about war - this time with Iran.

Oh, good luck...

 

[G-Man]

There ain't much but there is..
surprised to hear you say this..

No, there really aren't any ever since the fence's northern part was built.

 

[Tassadar]

China isn't bluffing. But they also aren't offering to back up Iran militarily.

But the have sold anti aircraft missile not so long ago, and it was high technology missile, i recall the US to complaint about it, but did nothing, USA borow money from china so who do you think is the ''boss''?


So good job chinese, they are able to get oil trade without invading and killing.....


Edit, link:http://www.nti.org/db/china/miranpos.htm
second link:http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040823-124036-3721r.htm

 

[10Seven]

So good job chinese, they are able to get oil trade without invading and killing.....

The monsters!


Anyway The very quantity of hypocracy on the subject, and just within this thread is pretty impressive.

' 'Western' democracies are allowed nuclear weapons because they are inherantly more trustworthy, and they're just for MAD anyway, they won't use them, no sir. But those Arabs what a nasty bunch, evil I tell you!'

 

[King Alexander]

The monsters!

In reality, the RED monsters!

Anyway The very quantity of hypocracy on the subject, and just within this thread is pretty impressive.

' 'Western' democracies are allowed nuclear weapons because they are inherantly more trustworthy, and they're just for MAD anyway, they won't use them, no sir. But those Arabs what a nasty bunch, evil I tell you!'

No, it's not about "Western Democracies", but about "Christian Countries against Muslim Countries", because, as ALL know, there CAN'T be Christian fundamentalists, only Good Christians.

Aint' funny that the ONLY excuse about not allowing other countries to get nukes(so they won't be "liberated" anymore) is that they're contained by Muslim fundamentalists? Look what the West has done to all the Asia/Middle East all those years/centuries: is it weird that the people gather close to what has left to them, their religion/beliefs?
Is it weird that they're desperate because they haven't the same weapons as their enemies and they use whatever they can?

What would the Westerners do if they were in their position? Maybe they'd do/follow the same tactics?

I really hope/wish that the U.S will follow the same path as China did: make deals for something you want and don't invade countries.