City placement as France/England

[Akbarthegreat]

As title suggests, I want suggestions for which cities I should found as France and England (600AD start, playing for UHV).

Playing France I have Paris, Bordeaux, Marseilles and Metz. Is Metz really necessary? I settle it primarily so that I have some claim on the Iron/Marble/Stone of Alsace-Lorraine, but Frankfurt eats up those tiles pretty easily. Is it better to just wait and conquer Frankfurt?

As England I settle London, Aberdeen and Dublin. Should I found more core cities (since it helps stability)? I would found Plymouth in vanilla RFC but since the crab south of it was removed in DoC there's really not much incentive to. I want to found Machester or Newcastle but it takes too much away from my other cities.

 

[Leon Michiel]

As English I try to settle a plot in France for the historicity of it,

also the research bonus from having another city helps allot. At least on Monarch/Marathon.

As France I just try to put down as many as I can, inluding for example Brest, Strasbourgh and even Corsica.

 

[Akbarthegreat]

As English I try to settle a plot in France for the historicity of it,

How?

As France I just try to put down as many as I can, inluding for example Brest, Strasbourg and even Corsica.

Any reason you choose Strasbourg over Metz?

 

[Leon Michiel]

How?

By using one of the initial settlers. In Britain I settle only London, Manchester en Edinburgh.

Up until 1450 I use the city to war on the French and keep them from intervering with Italy or HRE too much.

After 1450 I gift the city to the French, to give them a little boost as I do want them reasonably succesful as a balance of power on mainland Europe.

French as a rival can get very powerful if they get Rome.

Any reason you choose Strasbourg over Metz?

The stone of HRE is able to flip at about 80%+ culture, and it can get access to the plot just above Marseille for production as needed. I alternate the iron and other hillplot for production as needed. I haven't done a late game yet but want Strasbourg as production city for military, so I can keep Marseille focussed on improving itself for building bonuses.

 

[Oregon Lee]

London, Plymouth, York, Inverness, Dublin

Although I once built Belfast instead, so a Welsh city could take the Dublin tile.

Wait until the Industrial age to build Plymouth, though.


As for France, just Paris and Brest, and focus on taking Italy.

 

[Emperor Peter]

With any civ, I like to have all tiles and resources (and perhaps a few extra) in my historical area with as few cities as possible. I don't like small cities. I prefer my cities be optimally placed for the long term.
As France, I like Paris, Marseille (W of river) and Nantes (on the horse and I move that resource 1SE in WB).
As England I like Southampton, Newcastle, Inverness and Dublin.