City planning and dotmapping
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Crakie
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I have never made a dotmap... I've seen many of course. What's the easiest way to make one?
Bugsy's attempt is definitely the esthetically more pleasing, but I agree with Daghdha that we will probably benefit most from early small + mid-sized cities as opposed to future powerhouses. I think we should be able to squeeze in one more city along that river (with respect to Bugsy's map), but not wasting that BG (in Daghdha's map). For this, settling on that FP south of the wines may be necessary. Also note the river that merges near the FP-wheat with 'ours'... we should check that area out.
Bugsy's attempt is definitely the esthetically more pleasing, but I agree with Daghdha that we will probably benefit most from early small + mid-sized cities as opposed to future powerhouses. I think we should be able to squeeze in one more city along that river (with respect to Bugsy's map), but not wasting that BG (in Daghdha's map). For this, settling on that FP south of the wines may be necessary. Also note the river that merges near the FP-wheat with 'ours'... we should check that area out.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
@ Crakie - I use the paint program for dot mapping. Just save as a jpeg file. It is simple for an old guy like me, you can draw dots, straight lines, curves lines and put text (ugly text, but text just the same.)
@ Team - I think we need to plan on having 12+ good tiles per city. Anything less than 12 and we'll be shooting bullets into our feet. Being able to swap tiles between cities can really give you a boost.
@ Team - I think we need to plan on having 12+ good tiles per city. Anything less than 12 and we'll be shooting bullets into our feet. Being able to swap tiles between cities can really give you a boost.
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
Okay, I'm old too - how do you save a screen shot as a jpeg? Dot maps would be fun to make.
As for city placement, here are my thoughts...
1) I still think we should look south of GoodyHut Hill for our next city, I'm open to the precise tile. This will give us something closer to the interior with good growth potential, good production potential and it will pop the GH in a benefitial way. That makes it a good candidate for a military producer.
2) If the Simpleton is going to be a settler factory I think we may want to consider puting our third city on the coast, N of the hill/SE of the coastal grapes. This would still put in in range of the FP for pop growth, but it would free up a city for naval units (or coastal wonders should they be necessary) without diverting Simpleton from producing settlers. Also it would be within three of Simpleton.
Or course all of this is subject to change as new info comes in (I like to hedge) but that's my read for now...
As for city placement, here are my thoughts...
1) I still think we should look south of GoodyHut Hill for our next city, I'm open to the precise tile. This will give us something closer to the interior with good growth potential, good production potential and it will pop the GH in a benefitial way. That makes it a good candidate for a military producer.
2) If the Simpleton is going to be a settler factory I think we may want to consider puting our third city on the coast, N of the hill/SE of the coastal grapes. This would still put in in range of the FP for pop growth, but it would free up a city for naval units (or coastal wonders should they be necessary) without diverting Simpleton from producing settlers. Also it would be within three of Simpleton.
Or course all of this is subject to change as new info comes in (I like to hedge) but that's my read for now...
IroquoisPlisken
Brigadier Idiot
After you've copied the image to paint (or whatever), save it and click "Save as type:", then select JPEG.Kickbooti said:
gmaharriet
Ancient Crone
I know how to make a jpeg, but I don't know how to make those nice, neat colored circles (mine look more like a child's crayon-drawn circle, and any printed words look like those of a 3-year-old.) I've noticed some in SG's look like fonts. I've never tried one of those expanded-borders cities outlines in different colors either.IroquoisPlisken said:
Is there any chance of setting up a "Department of Technically-Challenged Assistance" for those of us who would like to learn more about the programs and utilities used for graphically showing what we want to describe? or is this info available in a thread elsewhere? I always hate to interrupt the flow of communication by asking "How did you do that?"
gmaharriet,
Bede sent me a website that make "Bede quality" pics if you want it. I use it on my other PC but this one I use "paint". The spray paint can makes the nice dots. Where you see the "A" is where you can make a box and add text.
Bede sent me a website that make "Bede quality" pics if you want it. I use it on my other PC but this one I use "paint". The spray paint can makes the nice dots. Where you see the "A" is where you can make a box and add text.
gmaharriet
Ancient Crone
Thanks, Whomp! I'll give that a try. 
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
IroquoisPlisken said:
Thanks IP; but let me back up one more step, how do you copy the screen to paint (or whatever)? Is there a hot key or something? Since Civ doesn't really work as a full Windows program I have never figured out how to use different copy utilities with it (though I have not tried very hard either).
IroquoisPlisken
Brigadier Idiot
Oh. On my keyboard there's a key called Prt Scr/SysRq next to F12. That basically copies the entire screen. Then Alt+Tab to Paint and Ctrl+V or click Paste. If you don't have that key...well, I don't know how to help you.Kickbooti said:
In Whomp's screen you can click the oval on the left to make perfect circles. After you click on it, select the box right under it to make circles with a see-through center. The other two options fill in the circle.
You can also change the width of the circle by first selecting the line and choosing a thicker line.
...Reading back over that, that seems very confusing, but hopefully you'll understand it.
Kickbooti-On my laptop it has a blue "fn" key that I press with the blue "print Scrn" key. Then I paste in the "Paint" program, adjust the attributes to size 800 to 900 width x 700 length. The only ones I generally have over 1000 width are screens like the F11 screen where I need the whole width. I try to trim most down so they fit better in the post and change them to jpg. Once I'm finished I move the picture to the desktop then I come to this page
hit "go advanced" then "manage attachments" then browse, upload and voila' the picture will post in your reply. I think you can only post one pic at a time this way but it's the safer than putting it in the "upload file" at the bottom of the screen which can be viewed by anyone.
Make sense?
hit "go advanced" then "manage attachments" then browse, upload and voila' the picture will post in your reply. I think you can only post one pic at a time this way but it's the safer than putting it in the "upload file" at the bottom of the screen which can be viewed by anyone.
Make sense?
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
IP and Whomp, thanks for the tutorial. I do have the 'PrtScrn/SysRq' key on my keyboard but I've had no occassion to play with that bank of buttons.
I will have to play with this in the future.
Thanks again.
I will have to play with this in the future.
Thanks again.
gmaharriet
Ancient Crone
Seems like I had trouble making it round, rather than oval, but it's been awhile since I tried it. I'll give it a try. Thanks.IroquoisPlisken said:In Whomp's screen you can click the oval on the left to make perfect circles. After you click on it, select the box right under it to make circles with a see-through center. The other two options fill in the circle.
You can also change the width of the circle by first selecting the line and choosing a thicker line.
...Reading back over that, that seems very confusing, but hopefully you'll understand it.
Round is just oval, only you need to aim rather well to get it a nice circle
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Dots are dots. Who cares if they are round.
We have three rivers to work with. As an agricultural civ, we shouldn't even think about not settling on a river for quite a while.
We have three rivers to work with. As an agricultural civ, we shouldn't even think about not settling on a river for quite a while.
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
This is my first foray into technological literacy...
I have included the latest map sent up by Crakie and marked what I think the position for our next two cities should be.
The red dot (Dunderhead) south of GoodyHut Hill should be first - it will produce well for military, grow well due to wheat, and pop the GH for possible tech.
Second would be the blue. This would have access to FP for growth, the hill for production, wine for trade, the coast for navy and it would be three moves from Simpleton for (eventual) ease of transporting units back and forth.
My two cents worth.
KB
I have included the latest map sent up by Crakie and marked what I think the position for our next two cities should be.
The red dot (Dunderhead) south of GoodyHut Hill should be first - it will produce well for military, grow well due to wheat, and pop the GH for possible tech.
Second would be the blue. This would have access to FP for growth, the hill for production, wine for trade, the coast for navy and it would be three moves from Simpleton for (eventual) ease of transporting units back and forth.
My two cents worth.
KB
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Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
Blue isn't on the river. So that means an aqueduct is in it's future. Waste of shields just to be on the coast. Planting on the wines (or 1 SW of wines) to the west would be a better option for a coastal city if that is our goal for city #2
EDIT:: also the wheat won't be in Dunderhead's radius until cultural expansion or a city is planted 1 S of your blue dot
EDIT:: also the wheat won't be in Dunderhead's radius until cultural expansion or a city is planted 1 S of your blue dot
IroquoisPlisken
Brigadier Idiot
Agree with the first dot.
Don't forget, we won't need to be 3 squares away with Gallic Swords. We could have cities up to 6 squares away and still defend like it's CxxC.
Don't forget, we won't need to be 3 squares away with Gallic Swords. We could have cities up to 6 squares away and still defend like it's CxxC.
Thanks for the satelite view Kickbooti.
Red dot works. Blue dot needs to move inside. As Bugs said rivers, rivers, rivers.
If we plant our 1st coastal on top of the wines wouldn't we get the extra commerce (2 commerce 0 food)? As well that river runs a long way(all the way to Peapants). What I wonder about placement is it seems there's a ring of rivers around the capital. Does it make sense to be just inside the rivers for defense?
Red dot works. Blue dot needs to move inside. As Bugs said rivers, rivers, rivers.
If we plant our 1st coastal on top of the wines wouldn't we get the extra commerce (2 commerce 0 food)? As well that river runs a long way(all the way to Peapants). What I wonder about placement is it seems there's a ring of rivers around the capital. Does it make sense to be just inside the rivers for defense?
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
I'd say try to stay inside if possible.. Also being AGR, we get an extra food out of the city tile if we plant on a river. I think.
