Stormrage
Ever Present Taskmaster
Because its always been 2D... I like it in 2D. And its good enough. 3D sucks more resources. I mean, alot of people are having a hard time running Civ4, and it doesn`t even look good, IMO.
civ 3 players will not move on
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Pink for the Arabs is just ridiculous. As it was for France, with Joan of Arc as leader.
Civ3 lacked historical accuracy too
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Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
Just checking by, thought the topic sounded ridiculous, but seems like lots of fun and flames in here, so I'll give my 2
. I'm only 17, but I have played civ 1-4, although civ only the last year or so, I couldn't get iit before chronicles were out 
. Anyway, between civ3 and civ4....
CIV definately has potential, it's AIs area good, severely enhanced in BtS, due to some modders from here (right?
). But, the maintenance system and the overwhelming drain of RAM compared to mapsize in comparison to civ3 - that also, due to the changed corruption system, actually let you fill out these huge maps.... I'm actually mostly playing Civ4 now, but most of my civ3 games are better, longer and more interesting than my civ4 games...
. I'm only 17, but I have played civ 1-4, although civ only the last year or so, I couldn't get iit before chronicles were out . Anyway, between civ3 and civ4....CIV definately has potential, it's AIs area good, severely enhanced in BtS, due to some modders from here (right?
). But, the maintenance system and the overwhelming drain of RAM compared to mapsize in comparison to civ3 - that also, due to the changed corruption system, actually let you fill out these huge maps.... I'm actually mostly playing Civ4 now, but most of my civ3 games are better, longer and more interesting than my civ4 games...
r_rolo1
King of myself
True enough ( that's exactly the thing I'm saying since my first post in this thread ), but a multilayer game ( 2D * n , with n being difereng heights or diferent army branches ( air ,land ,navy ) or even peace ones) would not consume more resources than the current Civ IV implementation and it would make a much better game ( and maybe is even possible with the current Civ IV engine ( I do not mod, so I'll let that to the specialists ) ). I would even bet that Civ V ( if it will exist one ) will be more like that ....
But like you said, you like 2 D gaming.... it is a matter of taste , but do not confuse personal taste and traditon with defining character: just because a rock had been grey for ages, if you drop pink ink in top of it it stops being a rock?
I think he was afraid you were going to slap him like Cathy for daring to comment about your not liking pink
what????
Please post those screens updated to 4 months after Conquests, and we'll compare the numbers again.
Hey Rhye, Im not sure what you mean. Are you saying 4 monthes after Conquests was released, during as you say Civ3's height, Civ2's modding audience was larger on a regular basis then civ3's? ..cuz thats the matter of fact Ive demonstrated occurs in todays comparison scenario. THe older game wins out after the newer games last Xpak. How crazy is that?
I did do some quick check backs on this sites.
If the Civ3 vs Civ4 arguement was actually a repitition of old then surly someone would have made refrence to what I have during that time.
See I don't expect actual photo evidence like I submitted. I started a thread on the subject monthes before warlords and was kinda surprised monthes after Bts this was still a frequent occurance.
Its hard to argue what Civ3's higher numbers then Beyond the Sword says about both games. I say for Civ4 its a new low and unprecendented. If you have some sort of proof its not then please, by all means show it instead of just laugh. Thanks.
CyberChrist
You caught my attention
Its hard to argue what Civ3's higher numbers then Beyond the Sword says about both games. I say for Civ4 its a new low and unprecendented. If you have some sort of proof its not then please, by all means show it instead of just laugh. Thanks.
Hey T.A JONES
Maybe you should try reading all the replies to your own posts before saying that no proof to refute your claim has been offered.
I think you did more then miss my point Id say you swearved heavily to avoid it
How can you add the total sum of posts and say that the higher of the two is postive. Yes Civ4 has a breakthrough amount of complaints in its tech section and general 'dis' forum. IM sure the company is proud of those new high numbers.
If you want grand totals Lets look at the modding, AGain like I explained the only forum one can deem to be most postive for the outcome of the game longevity. Here we see civ3 is leading by over 200000.
How bout stories and tales Civ3 leads 6 to 1.
Lets go to complaints Civ4 leads 2 to 1..
I rest my case
Sorry for the misunderstanding, the laugh was refered to your claim that modders are skipping civ4, not on the rest...
For the rest, I can only ask for a comparation on equal basis: 4 months after the release of the last xpack. Maybe Thunderfall could help providing the numbers
For the rest, I can only ask for a comparation on equal basis: 4 months after the release of the last xpack. Maybe Thunderfall could help providing the numbers
CyberChrist
You caught my attention
Incorrect and you seem to have missed/avoided MY point, but by all means - lets use the Creation and Customization threads only for comparison.
Civ III: 502013 posts in all spread over 6 years = 83689 posts per year.
cIV: 315708 post in all spread over 2 years = 157854 posts per year.
Civ III is only ahead by 186305 posts in all(not "over 200000"), but cIV is far ahead when it comes to posts per year (88% more) and in my book posts per year is what counts when it comes to proving current interest.
I have no problem with people preferring Civ III over cIV, but please refrain from putting forward claims that Civ III is more popular supported by 'evidence' that just doesn't hold water.
I rest MY case!
Gary Childress
Student for and of life
Lighten up BeyondCivilized. This all started with me rolling my eyes because you can't even be bothered to change a civ color in the editor. Next you're accusing me of "knives in the head" etc. Now you're going to "kill" everyone.
Sounds like homophobes are an oppressed group in your country. Maybe you ought to start a political action group.
Even as a joke this is pretty lame.
azzaman333
meh
Personally, I don't care what the graphics are as long as I can tell what each thing is clearly and it doesn't kill my computer.
Gary Childress
Student for and of life
I agree. The biggest stumbling block for me is that I can't create traditional Civ style empires with Civ4, not without a mainframe computer that is.
EDIT: And that the Civ4 unit art reminds me of the leaderhead art in Civ3.
Gary Childress
Student for and of life
Perhaps a ban on using pink for civ colors is in order.
EDIT: And yes, the leaderheads in Civ3 are definitely goofy.
Also you have the Fall from Heaven II mod downloaded over 93,000 times. Is there a civ3 mod that been downloaded anywhere close to this number?Incorrect and you seem to have missed/avoided MY point, but by all means - lets use the Creation and Customization threads only for comparison.
Civ III: 502013 posts in all spread over 6 years = 83689 posts per year.
cIV: 315708 post in all spread over 2 years = 157854 posts per year.
Civ III is only ahead by 186305 posts in all(not "over 200000"), but cIV is far ahead when it comes to posts per year (88% more) and in my book posts per year is what counts when it comes to proving current interest.
I have no problem with people preferring Civ III over cIV, but please refrain from putting forward claims that Civ III is more popular supported by 'evidence' that just doesn't hold water.
I rest MY case!
Stormrage
Ever Present Taskmaster
On another note, its not that the civ3 players will not move on. We will. To Civ 5 
If you wanna be truly precise Civ4 enjoys a 2.5 to 1 lead in complaints over the 'older' version (not sure why you failed to mention this inaccuracy
) This is amazing when you consider civ4 has been around for farless time
These numbers are all thats really needed to downplay the wacko reasoning your on
Well look, If we appy this same ratio to the total numbers C+C posts we can conclude that the C+C posts for civ4 are of far higher concentrations of tech related concerns such as the "MAF or CTD. Correct?
Mybe its the new patching system and how its improperly played havoc on Civ4's modding audience. Mostly it cuz extra stuff and large maps don't mix on civ4.
I posted Civ3 still garners more daily intrest then civ4 on many numerious occasions. Im sorry but however you try to swich the topic You can't discredit this. Its proof positive
ALso I said this is a unprecedented sign of weakness and therefor proof the older games can demonstrate to be stronger overtime. (no its not all telling but nether can it be simple discredited BASED ON WHAT YOU SAY )
I think Civ4s eroding mostly from this higher % of tech compaints and fueled further by the silence by the Firaxis. THe mulititude of users complaints you hear on mnay threads like these are factors aswell I assume
What I never said was civ3 is used by more people indefinatly on a day to day basis. I have given photo evidence of exactly how powerful civ3's longevity has become.
I say in this case new is less stable and old can withstand the test of time when the replacement is inferior product. Obviosly hype and 'whats new' are fuel but they are cheap and burn out quick. Quality replay value built on stable performance and GOOD MODDING will Find mass audience of players who will make this judgement themselves
Again I gave evidence that this is occuring. What you go on about here:
I disproved based on bunk forumula that adds complaits as proof positive.
Yet it wasn't of any intrest to my original point.Unfortunatly knowone can say for sure how things will go in the future but if you think Civ4 has the stuff it takes to beat civ5 after its 2 xpak polished (the way I proved civ3 did to civ4) then hey, thats you opinion.
...but don't try and discredit how a superior game, has made yet another claim to fame ...and at the same time banished it predessor to Civ hall of shame Ohh and add record amount tech complaints to the 'shame' list, I think thats a given at this time No?
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Gary Childress
Student for and of life
Thanks. That's much better.
