Civ 4 Reviews Are Bogus
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Royal said:
My game runs just fine.
What I dont like is people telling other people to shut up and go away if they have problems. This is a forum. It is open for debate, praise or complaint.
If you personally dont like complaint threads dont read them or post in them.
Sorceresss
Witch
Royal said:
I wonder if the Civ IV reviews are "bogus".
Psyringe
Scout
Trafalgar said:
I am seriously pointing out that if people want their complaints to have any constructive effect, they have to be sent to the people who can actually improve the game (i.e. Firaxis), not posted in a forum where the chances that Firaxis will read all those threads are slim.
Trafalgar said:
No. Where did you see me saying that? I actually happen to like discussions about the games I play. What I don't like is seeing these forums degrading into a conflagration area because some people perceive a need to create a "public demonstration of discontent".
Honestly, what is so bad about sending the developer an email with your problems? I paid 35 Euro for Guild Wars and it kept crashing - I sent them two mails and together we fixed the problem. Would they have fixed it if I had gone to the forums instead, voicing my disappointment?
I paid 70 dollars to subscribe for Stardock's Totalgaming.net and kept getting errors when downloading files. I sent them a report, we nailed the problem, and although the problem was with my network connection, they issued shortly afterwards a new version of their software with a smarter error repair function. Would they have done that if I had instead gone to some forums telling people how much it sucks that I cannot download games I paid for?
In my experience, getting in contact with the developers, working together with them, is a very effective way to get problems solved. There *are* companies for which this does not hold true, yes, but Firaxis has shown on many occasions that they don't belong to those.
Trafalgar said:
How can problems be fixed if you complain about them in a place where the people who can fix them won't notice it?
Of course you can voice your complaints here. Many people may have personally felt better after venting their anger in a public place, but does this make up for the people who are being attacked or insulted in these threads? Does this make up for the people who try to find answers in these forums and cannot find them because of these "I have a right to express my anger" threads? And - contrary to what you claimed in your previous post - I just don't see how this "public demonstration of discontent" you mentioned is in any way necessary to improve the game. I asked you on which actual data you are basing this assumption. It seems this question has not been answered.
snepp
King
Royal said:
Very well, enjoy your nice civ4 conversation in a thread that will not give it to you.
I stopped reading after that line in the first post of this thread. Particularly, the words in bold.
It's a funny thing really, a small group of people scream bloody murder and suddenly it's magically affecting 'a lot' of people. Most of the people on this board can play the game just fine. Some even with average computer equipment I might add. I run this game just fine on a standard map on my 1-year old laptop with an INTERGRATED card. Thats pretty much the worst kind you can get.
Now, if you have a problem with the game, that sucks. Really. I feel for you. But don't readily assume your problems affect everyone who has the game. The game isn't perfect and it does suck if you're affected by the bugs. But to claim that the game itself must suck (which is what you are implying by saying the review suck) because a small portion of the people have the game have to deal with some serious bugs in the game that will most likely be fixed in the next patch (hopefully), is stupid.
Ugh... I should stay out of this part of the forum and just keep to the strategy/modding part. it's bad for my mental health
Sorceresss
Witch
Tremo said:Ugh... I should stay out of this part of the forum and just keep to the strategy/modding part. it's bad for my mental health
Especially if you have an "intergrated" mind.
Dreadnought
Deity
Royal:
If they have problems, let them sulk about it -- you go and play cIV. See, Royal, sometimes when some people get something they wanted really bad, only they can't play it, then they would probably be mad. While I do agree that people that don't exactly have top notch computers shouldn't get modern games, let them play AoE. But Royal this forum is for cIV discussion, good or bad, and although you may feel that this isn't the case, it is true. So stop the arguement and talk your nice talk about cIV. I mean, its not like you work at Firaxis or something. If this is a complaining thread then complain, don't defend cIV! Make your own thread for pro-cIV facts. And although there was flaming in here (you were part of it too!) just leave this thread. Don't come back. Never again. People have opinions, and let them have them.
But Trafalgar, even if someone is a moron, there shouldn't be any flaming in here
Then again my game works fine....
If they have problems, let them sulk about it -- you go and play cIV. See, Royal, sometimes when some people get something they wanted really bad, only they can't play it, then they would probably be mad. While I do agree that people that don't exactly have top notch computers shouldn't get modern games, let them play AoE. But Royal this forum is for cIV discussion, good or bad, and although you may feel that this isn't the case, it is true. So stop the arguement and talk your nice talk about cIV. I mean, its not like you work at Firaxis or something. If this is a complaining thread then complain, don't defend cIV! Make your own thread for pro-cIV facts. And although there was flaming in here (you were part of it too!) just leave this thread. Don't come back. Never again. People have opinions, and let them have them.
But Trafalgar, even if someone is a moron, there shouldn't be any flaming in here
Then again my game works fine....
snepp
King
Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass. These threads tend to push my buttons a bit, leading to not so well thought out posts. (note to self, heed own advice)Trafalgar said:
Sorceresss
Witch
Dreadnought said:
Wise advice from a... "dreadnought" ...
Too many of these posts about people with complaints come down to:
1 Shut up and go away.
2 My game works fine. Shut up.
3 There’s a problem. Don’t complain.
4 There’s problem. Don’t complain here.
5 There’s a problem. Complain quietly and only once.
6 Long intellectual posts telling you, in well written prose, to stop complaining because my game runs fine and if yours doesn’t it’s your fault for having a crappy computer.
7 Stop whining there's a problem.
1 Shut up and go away.
2 My game works fine. Shut up.
3 There’s a problem. Don’t complain.
4 There’s problem. Don’t complain here.
5 There’s a problem. Complain quietly and only once.
6 Long intellectual posts telling you, in well written prose, to stop complaining because my game runs fine and if yours doesn’t it’s your fault for having a crappy computer.
7 Stop whining there's a problem.
Dreadnought
Deity
Sorceresss said:
I edited my post. instead of and its any
Traxis
Chieftain
Trafalgar: There is a difference between constructive complaints and arrogant whining. Look at the Bug Reports and Tech Support forums- 95% of the posts there consist of people posting about their problems, and people working together to dissect them and possibly correct them. This is fine. The problem is with threads like this one, where the topic originator arrogantly decided that because he doesn't enjoy the game, that it is impossible for others to, and reviews to the contrary are pure BS. I don't have a problem with people who have legitimate complaints, just with those who base their complaints on incorrect assumptions and create an atmosphere of hostility. That isn't to say that people on the other side aren't being jerks, either. Jumping into a thread and saying "Ha ha, it works for me, you & your computer just suck" is even less productive.
I bought this game because I enjoy this game no more nor less I am **** sick of people saying that the game runs happly on their PC and somehow from this they assume that for others if it does not then somehow they have made a mistake something wrong with their driver Blah blah blah.
Hears the bottom line I have a PC that is well beyond the recommended Specs for running the game it did not until I adjusted a few things, now I can run it adequately and I stress adequately there is so much irrelevant garbage associated with this game that I am amazed that it runs at tall but thats another debate.
For the moment lets face facts at the very least the game is not performing as expected for a high percentage of people thats not good there is something wrong! Unless you expect the revolution to be televised I would suggest you refrain from speculation and look at the tech forums there are problems and they are not illusory.
Hears the bottom line I have a PC that is well beyond the recommended Specs for running the game it did not until I adjusted a few things, now I can run it adequately and I stress adequately there is so much irrelevant garbage associated with this game that I am amazed that it runs at tall but thats another debate.
For the moment lets face facts at the very least the game is not performing as expected for a high percentage of people thats not good there is something wrong! Unless you expect the revolution to be televised I would suggest you refrain from speculation and look at the tech forums there are problems and they are not illusory.
Traxis said:
My complaint is with the intolerance of many of the posters to those with serious game problems. The person who started this thread may be an "arrogant whiner", or I may be an "arrogant whiner", but it's his thread and he's entitled to his point of view. Just because we disagree with someone doesnt mean we tell him to shut up and stop whining.
Trafalgar said:
There is a simple rule for any sort of communication with another person or persons : behaviour breeds behaviour.
Now he and others may feel justified and entitled to start a thread such as this one, but to do it like this and expect no vitriol in response is just plain silly. Freedom of speech works both ways.
Rexflex said:
Of course he or others can start other threads like this. That's what forums are for. Surely your not suggesting it's okay to intimidate someone into not posting? This is exactly what offends me. I didn't agree 100% with his post but some of the replies were far worse.
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