Civ Leader Depiction Elimination Thread

[ferretbacon]

Teddy Roosevelt = 26
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 8
Cleopatra = 15
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 13
Hojo Tokimune = 24 (23+1) I like his animations, especially when he draws his katana.
Harald Hardrada = 21
Cyrus the Great = 26
Jadwiga = 15
Trajan = 21
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 16
Gilgamesh = 11 (14-3) I think he's overly caricatured.

 

[DJ_Tanner]

Teddy Roosevelt = 26
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 8
Cleopatra = 15
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 13
Hojo Tokimune = 24
Harald Hardrada = 21
Cyrus the Great = 26
Jadwiga = 15
Trajan = 21
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 13 (16 - 3)
Gilgamesh = 12 (11 + 1)

Bros before brillos.

 

[Morningcalm]

Teddy Roosevelt = 26
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 8 + 1 = 9 (They got the IRL John Curtin's mannerisms right, they didn't go overly caricatural on him, his voice actor is great, his lines are not copied directly from his speeches but are certainly in that spirit, especially when you declare war on him. "EVERY MEANS OF RESISTANCE" is a rallying war cry that gives even the human player some doubt about having declared war on him. He doesn't seem petulant or smirking when you declare war on him, but treats it like the serious matter that it is. He's one of the best themed leaders in the game because of his opposition to war. Even the larger personalities from real life (and better known ones) like Trajan aren't nearly as well themed in their Civ representation as John Curtin is).
Cleopatra = 15
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 13 - 3 = 10 Looks like Solon, not Pericles. (Wiki it, and compare with the real Pericles, who looks like a handsome and healthy man with a functional helmet more like his Civ IV incarnation). Civ VI's Pericles possesses weak arms and the feeble, inaccurate appearance of a scholar rather than a general, all of which his helmet a hilarity given that it looks like a heavy ornament rather than a functional war helmet (not to mention inaccurate as others have pointed out). In the year of his death Pericles was still leading military expeditions against other Greeks (again, check Wikipedia--Pericles literally led ALL Athenian military expeditions in 429 BC), and Pericles was in his 60s when he died, not in his 90s (Civ VI suggests otherwise). And such a long beard would be caught easily in his robe and severely impede any physical military activity, which makes no sense given he was a strategos in the Peloponnesian War for Christ's sakes. One of the most severe disappointments in leader appearance in Civ VI I have known (on the opposite end of the spectrum from Cyrus, Curtin, Roosevelt). If I could issue one veto on a leader appearance to knock it out of this competition entirely, my ire would be directed towards besieging this "Pericles", this false imposter with the feeble arms that look to be made of plasticine.
Hojo Tokimune = 24
Harald Hardrada = 21
Cyrus the Great = 26
Jadwiga = 15
Trajan = 21
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 13
Gilgamesh = 12

 

[Pietato]

Teddy Roosevelt = 26
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 9 - 3 = 6
Cleopatra = 15
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 10 + 1 = 11
Hojo Tokimune = 24
Harald Hardrada = 21
Cyrus the Great = 26
Jadwiga = 15
Trajan = 21
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 13
Gilgamesh = 12

 

[GenyaArikado]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 6
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 11
Hojo Tokimune = 24
Harald Hardrada = 21
Cyrus the Great = 26
Jadwiga = 15
Trajan = 21
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 13
Gilgamesh = 12

Glory to the New Isis

 

[Morgawr]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 6-3 = 3 He may be closely depicted to the actual leader but I still find him plain boring compared to all the historical characters from earlier eras.
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 11
Hojo Tokimune = 24
Harald Hardrada = 21
Cyrus the Great = 26
Jadwiga = 15
Trajan = 21
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 13+1 = 14 Unlike John Curtin he is highly entertaining
Gilgamesh = 12

 

[Nigel_Tufnel2]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 3
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 11
Hojo Tokimune = 24 + 1 = 25 I always liked his whole vibe
Harald Hardrada = 21
Cyrus the Great = 26
Jadwiga = 15 - 3 = 12 I don't get the big deal. (I'm still voting for different leaders every time. Goodbye Curtin!)
Trajan = 21
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 14
Gilgamesh = 12

 

[Returning Lurker]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 3
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 11
Hojo Tokimune = 25
Harald Hardrada = 21
Cyrus the Great = 26+1=27
Jadwiga = 12
Trajan = 21-3=18
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 14
Gilgamesh = 12

I understand that Trajan was one of the "5 Good Emperors", I understand that he was noted for being kind and personable to both his fellow senators and the common Roman peasant, I understand that while he was an extremely successful military commander he was also well known for his social welfare and public works programs to improve the lives of his subjects. I get that his portrayal is likely accurate... that doesn't mean I have to like it. I don't want to face off against a kind of nice (if boastful) guy leading the Roman Empire, I want to face off against an egotistical pragmatist who doesn't consider you worth their time, a man so above it all and self confident that he looks at you, the leader of a rival and likely powerful empire, like he's speaking with a child. In short, I want a real Caesar! I absolutely loved their depiction of Augustus in 5, the way he checks his nails while talking to you like the dirt under his fingers is more important than you and your entire country, the way he seems almost bored when declaring war or even when you sneak attack him like this is just business as usual, everything about him just screamed "I am a god and I know it.", whereas Trajan is more... human. Which works against him in my opinion as it just doesn't feel right having a human lead Rome.

Cyrus acts the way I wanted Trajan to, and has a great aesthetic and voice to boot so I'm throwing another point his way.

 

[sonicmyst]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 3+1 = 4
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 11-3 = 8
Hojo Tokimune = 25
Harald Hardrada = 21
Cyrus the Great = 27
Jadwiga = 12
Trajan =18
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 14
Gilgamesh = 12

Pericles looks weak.
John Curtin needs some saving imo.

 

[Leyrann]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 4
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 8
Hojo Tokimune = 25
Harald Hardrada = 21
Cyrus the Great = 27
Jadwiga = 12
Trajan =18+1 = 19
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 14-3 = 11
Gilgamesh = 12

Actually pretty hard to choose leaders to downvote in my opinion.

 

[Zharques]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 4 + 1 = 5 Realistic but expressive.
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 8
Hojo Tokimune = 25
Harald Hardrada = 21
Cyrus the Great = 27
Jadwiga = 12
Trajan =19
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 11 - 3 = 8 Bit too over the top, doesn't make me feel like I am conducting diplomatic agreements with a head of state.
Gilgamesh = 12

 

[SMcM]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 6
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 11
Hojo Tokimune = 24
Harald Hardrada = 21
Cyrus the Great = 26
Jadwiga = 15
Trajan = 21
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 13
Gilgamesh = 12

Glory to the New Isis

You're meant to provide reasons- why did you downvote Teddy?

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 5
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 8
Hojo Tokimune = 25
Harald Hardrada = 22 (21 + 1) I like his armour and he acts the part of a Viking king well
Cyrus the Great = 27
Jadwiga = 9 (12 - 3) Because she is an irritating teenager and I think most of the other leaders in the game look better
Trajan =19
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 19
Philip II = 8
Gilgamesh = 12

 

[Sansa_Stark]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 5
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 8
Hojo Tokimune = 26 (25+1) By far best leader imo. Tough, smart, realistic.
Harald Hardrada = 22
Cyrus the Great = 27
Jadwiga = 9
Trajan =19
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 16 (19-3) Its between her and Phillip, they are both weird. She gets the vote to balance things out.
Philip II = 8
Gilgamesh = 12

On a side note, this thread made me realize that after 335 hours played I have never heard a single voice of any leader Are they supposed to talk whenever you meet them or you have open diplomacy window? If that is the case, any idea where is the problem? I have audio on, I hear music all the time, I hear all notifications, I hear Sean Bean in the beginning and then ate each civic/tech.

 

[CivLuvah]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 5
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 8
Hojo Tokimune = 26
Harald Hardrada = 22 +1 = 23 (I just like how he looks at you once you've become friends with him)
Cyrus the Great = 27
Jadwiga = 9
Trajan =19
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 16
Philip II = 8 - 3 = 5 (Too cartoony I guess?)
Gilgamesh = 12

 

[nzcamel]

On a side note, this thread made me realize that after 335 hours played I have never heard a single voice of any leader Are they supposed to talk whenever you meet them or you have open diplomacy window? If that is the case, any idea where is the problem? I have audio on, I hear music all the time, I hear all notifications, I hear Sean Bean in the beginning and then ate each civic/tech.

Yeah, they talk alright. Not often enough, but you're missing out

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 5
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 8
Hojo Tokimune = 26
Harald Hardrada = 20 (23-3)
Cyrus the Great = 27
Jadwiga = 9
Trajan =19
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 16
Philip II = 6 (5+1)
Gilgamesh = 12

It's too soon for my friend with the big cheesy grin to go!
I like Harald -and love the background in his diplomatic screen, my fav - but (and I don't really know much about Norse mythology) I can't help but suspect that a little bit of warmongering against the right enemies would get me a seat at Odin's table! Lols

 

[blackcatatonic]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 5 + 1 = 6 As I'm trying to be good and not downvote/upvote the same leaders in a row, I'll toss John Curtin a lifeline. I like having a modern leader in the mix. I'm still on the fence about Australia being added to the game this early at the expense of others but this minigame isn't really about that so it seems unfair to dock points for that reason.
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 14 - 3 = 11 Her voice doesn't match the appearance of the character. Might not be noticeable if you don't hear a lot of British accents but to me she sounds like a BBC newsreader, not a snooty queen/empress. Needs to sound more like Liz did (Also, she's annoying, but then most of the leaders in Civ 6 are - it's so you don't feel bad about it when you have to murder them )
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 8
Hojo Tokimune = 26
Harald Hardrada = 20
Cyrus the Great = 27
Jadwiga = 9
Trajan =19
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 16
Philip II = 6
Gilgamesh = 12

 

[upi00r]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 6
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 8 (11-3) Not a big fan of her
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 8
Hojo Tokimune = 26
Harald Hardrada = 20
Cyrus the Great = 27 The Boss leads anyway
Jadwiga = 10 (9+1) 'Aladdin' is my favorite Disney movie
Trajan =19
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 16
Philip II = 6
Gilgamesh = 12

 

[Siptah]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 6
Cleopatra = 16
Victoria = 8
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 9 (8 + 1) love the beard
Hojo Tokimune = 26
Harald Hardrada = 20
Cyrus the Great = 27
Jadwiga = 7 (10 - 3) still too young
Trajan =19
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 16
Philip II = 6
Gilgamesh = 12

 

[sadsquid]

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 6
Cleopatra = 13 (16-3) Same reason as before. Annoying personality.
Victoria = 8
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 9
Hojo Tokimune = 26
Harald Hardrada = 20
Cyrus the Great = 27
Jadwiga = 7
Trajan =19
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 16
Philip II = 7 (6+1) Deserves a high spot IMO. Great animation and personality!
Gilgamesh = 12

 

[WillowBrook]

On a side note, this thread made me realize that after 335 hours played I have never heard a single voice of any leader Are they supposed to talk whenever you meet them or you have open diplomacy window? If that is the case, any idea where is the problem? I have audio on, I hear music all the time, I hear all notifications, I hear Sean Bean in the beginning and then ate each civic/tech.

I've never heard them speak, either. I'm guessing because I don't have animations turned on (computer can't handle them). But it would be nice if they'd play even without animations.

Teddy Roosevelt = 23
Saladin = 22
John Curtin = 6
Cleopatra = 13 - 3 = 10 pouty lips are getting annoying
Victoria = 8
Gorgo = 15
Pericles = 9
Hojo Tokimune = 26
Harald Hardrada = 20
Cyrus the Great = 27
Jadwiga = 7
Trajan =19
Peter the Great = 19
Tomyris = 16 + 1 = 17 I like her warrior queen look. And her hair.
Philip II = 6
Gilgamesh = 12

Edit: corrected Cleo's score.