Civ V Civilizations Roster

[History buff33]

OK, fine Istanbul ,Constantinople, I don't give a flying . All I believe is that the Ottomans should be in the game, the point you are missing.

 

[Mathalamus]

i support having either in the game. i would edit it anyway.

 

[History buff33]

As long as the Ottomans are in the game. I don't know why they haven't been in the first place, How can you forget an empire that spanned 3 continents and was at least the 3rd most powerful nation in the world at its peak?

 

[Mathalamus]

As long as the Ottomans are in the game. I don't know why they haven't been in the first place, How can you forget an empire that spanned 3 continents and was at least the 3rd most powerful nation in the world at its peak?

third? i always thought that post 1683 the ottoman empire was a decaying, obsolete, rife with civil war and lost a great deal of its territory?

...believe it or not i have a slight preference to the Ottoman Empire in the game. they are more 'modern'. and apparently well balanced as of civilization IV.

 

[History buff33]

third? i always thought that post 1683 the ottoman empire was a decaying, obsolete, rife with civil war and lost a great deal of its territory?

...believe it or not i have a slight preference to the Ottoman Empire in the game. they are more 'modern'. and apparently well balanced as of civilization IV.

I'm more talking about when Suleiman the Magnificent was in power. Back then, Spain and China were the only nations that could compete with them. I'm happy you want them to be in at least. Which is my main point after all.

 

[Pikkis]

I think the Moors/Berbers would be a pretty cool civilization to have, too. I think really the only thing working against it is that people would think that it's too similar to Arabia or Carthage, even though it's not.

Then couldn't we have the Moors instead of the Arabs and Carthage for a change?

 

[zeggy]

The core 18 civs of Civ 5 should represent the powerful empires of our historical timeline - how Mali got in vanilla Civ IV, I'll never know. These empires should have two conditions: 1. significant world domination either militarily, economically, or culturally, and 2. have lasted for more than a few decades. Fringe, segmented, small, or short-lived nations should be saved for interesting expansion packs. Some civilizations represented now weren't even true empires, just trade networks united by somewhat similar culture - no strong united government i.e. Vikings, Celts, Maya, Native Americans. This is only my humble opinion of course.

Vanilla
British Empire
United States of America
Germany
Russian Empire
French Empire
Empire of China
Aztec Empire
Spanish Empire
Portuguese Empire
Dutch Empire
Roman Empire
Greek Empire
Carthaginian Empire
Egyptian Empire
Byzantine Empire
Babylonian Empire
Persian Empire
Arab Empire

Expansion
Mongols
Japanese Empire
Maya Cities
Sioux Tribe
Cherokee Tribe
Incan Empire
Sumer Empire
Vikings
The Celts
Eskimos
Phoenicia
Mali
Nubians
Zulu
Khmer
India
and others...

i agree with this

 

[Krzowwh]

Perhaps civilizations will represent the base of cultures, and certain nations will derive from them, possibly with the merging of civilizations and isolation with colonial nations? Different branches of civilizations, as well?
Such as Latin and Celtic culture to possibly form the Britons, with Germanic culture to form Anglo-Saxons, and then English from French. And in expansion, Britain, with colonies whenever.

Also, it would be interesting, though completely new to have administrative divisions like provinces or departments or states. This could determine the name of a colonial nation: by the name of the former colonial viceroyalty or department or such.

However, these would both vastly change the Civilization series, so it might be better left for a sort of side-game.

 

[Kyriakos]

The ottomans in vanilla civ5? dream on, it would be improbable that they would be in the first expansion either

 

[mitsho]

The ones fighting for the regular places (Great Important civ with selling base, no idea why it hasn't made first places in other itinierations):

Arabia
Ottomans/Turks
Mongols
Babylon/Sumeria
Korea

Wild Cards (for the last place, going a bit wild here)

Khmer/Vietnames/Thai
Inca/Maya
Poland/Hungary
Australia
Ethiopia/Zulu/Mali
"Native America"
Brazil
Byzantium/Celts/Carthage/Hebrew

My take on the wild cards

 

[Kyriakos]

I don't agree. What selling base do the mongols and the ottomans have? Mongolia is not really a place where people in large numbers buy civ, likewise in turkey, where moreover virtually all get illegal copies, so again there is no money to be made.

 

[Dragonflow]

If there are 18 CIVs in vanilla CIV5 than I'd it would be these:

EUROPE:
1.Germany
2.France
3.England
4.Rome
5.Greece
6.Russia
7.Spain

Asia:
8.Japan
9.China
10.India
11.Persia

Africa:
12.Egypt
13.Arabia
14.Ethiopia

America:
15.USA
16.Aztec
17.Inca
18.North American Indians or the Maya


Then there might be some Expansion packs, with new CIVs and those CIVs might be:

Ottoman Empire
Carthage
Korea
Netherlands
Portugal
Vikings
Babylon
Byzantium
Mongols
Austria
Poland
Celts
Huns
Zulu
Mali
Moors

But Firaxis might come up with many different civs, so who knows.

 

[mitsho]

Yes, Mongolia is the odd one in, added in later. Re Turkey, I think you might be a bit biased against it, so please, get real. It is a market, but of course not a big one enough to get bought. Nevertheless, there's a big turkish diaspora in other countries for to buy it for.

Though, the comment was more directed at the whole list in general, like Korea or Australia ;-)

 

[EMT]

I don't agree. What selling base do the mongols and the ottomans have? Mongolia is not really a place where people in large numbers buy civ, likewise in turkey, where moreover virtually all get illegal copies, so again there is no money to be made.

You really do seem to have something against the Ottomans/Turks from the last two posts in this thread.....and you have a Byzantine flag? Byzantine revanchist? I've only ever seen Greek revanchists for greater Hellas. The only thing I have to say, the Ottomans where much more important than the Byzantines ever where, except possibly during the reign of Justinian. Also, the Hungarians associate the Mongols with the Huns.....they even name their kids Attila. While I think that is a cool name, that should say something about Mongolia and Hungarians. It's a love-hate thing. On one hand, they where one of the only European countries to get bulldozed by the Mongols apart from Poland, and thus fell behind greatly compared to other places, yet soon where back up. The Huns are said to be their relatives, if not descendents, and heavily in their gene pool apparently. The Huns supposedly migrated thanks to the Mongols. Like I said, love-hate.

 

[Kyriakos]

@ Mistho: A bit of projection there From your posts it seems that you are the one, for whatever reason, biased on this matter

Anyway, lets just agree that they wont be in vanilla, like they never were..

As for the post above: i won't get drawn into this, have your opinnion Some people claim that steven king is more important than Poe, can't really kill them now can we?

 

[mitsho]

Why biased? Can you explain from my post? I don't see these lists as a "who is bigger and more important thing"? I don't see history as a "fight". Ok, I should've included Byzantium in the Wild Cards, but I never said my list was complete or representative in any sort of way. I'm just saying that the Ottomans a) have had their importance in history and in Europe and b) are one of the three big "cultures" of the islamic world (Arabic, Persian, Turkish). That's what qualifies them imo for a bigger chance to get in than say Ethiopia or Khmer. I could've included Korea in the upper list though, would have made more sense, but again, no complete list!

 

[Dragonflow]

Saying a Civilization was more important isn't right. Every civ had its stab at world history. Some civilizations influenced the world with the things they have done and other influenced the world with their presence or with things that happened after their fall.

 

[Pikkis]

Yes, Mongolia is the odd one in, added in later.

Why is Mongolia the odd one in? AFAIK it was the largest empire in the world at the time and the second largest empire in the world ever.

 

[mitsho]

Why is Mongolia the odd one in? AFAIK it was the largest empire in the world at the time and the second largest empire in the world ever.

Yes, The comment was regarding "buyer base" / "Home Country", and it is clear that Mongolia per se doesn't have that big of a fanbase as for example Germany or America does. And thus, if they were to mix it up, this could be one of the civs postponed to an expansion (also: another selling name for the expansion). Aztecs would for example fall into the same category.

 

[EMT]

Yes, The comment was regarding "buyer base" / "Home Country", and it is clear that Mongolia per se doesn't have that big of a fanbase as for example Germany or America does. And thus, if they were to mix it up, this could be one of the civs postponed to an expansion (also: another selling name for the expansion). Aztecs would for example fall into the same category.

Mexicans would beg to differ? As I understand Mexican culture, they basically think: 'Maya? Isn't that we have in Chiapas? Those rebellious little bastards? Let's leave them to the Central Americans, we have the Aztecs!
Other Guy: 'But didn't they practice such unchristian things as human sacri...."
Mexicans: 'Shut up! Don't spoil this moment!'

I'm fairly sure Mexicans would buy if the Aztecs are in the game, and truthfully, it's a bigger base than Peruvians/Ecuadorians/Bolivians/Chileans/Even Argetines? put together. The Inca Empire controlled part of Argentina