Civ V Civilizations Roster

Hmmm, well we cant ake a good guess at what sort of Civs will be included, but I like the idea of a "suprise" civ, so here is an idea:

If its not modded, or made into a scenario, I think there should be some unlocks : ) I am ALL in favour of having Aliens in Civ if you get some achievments or something, for Single Player of course don't want to be unfair. But that would be cool right?
 
I wouldn't buy Civ 5 if it replaced a perfectly good existent civ for a stupid cliché alien civ :rolleyes:

Well, not like that, I don't think any REAL Civ should be replaced for aliens, but as an unlock. I just think its something Firaxis could do a little on rather than waiting for a modder.

Or at that, if this city state thing catches on perahps link that. Or see if Alpha Centuri 2 ever comes about. Part of my facination. :lol:
 
Well, not like that, I don't think any REAL Civ should be replaced for aliens, but as an unlock.
The time spent making that could be a 19th civ, and probably 20th since they would have to be completely different.
It would replace a civ or other potential features.
 
I guess your right, either way its replacing someone else. Even in expansions,a further argument lol.

I just think it would be great when all is done. A little tacky, but it could have some weight. Maybe to the confinement of a scenario or an in game event, but a man can dream :cool:
 
This game would go from great to superior if it was possible to start the game as a civilisation and eventually (from civil war or other forms of partition) evolve/dissolve into several nations. A concept that would also increase the number of opponents with time as the AI splits as well and thereby IMO add greatly to the game experience.

Six regions that must be represented in a game called Civilization:

Mesopotamia - Babylon or Assyria
Nile-valley - Egypt
Indus-valley - India (if not divided like the western civilisation will be)
Yellow River-valley - China (if not divided like the western civilisation will be)
Meso-America - The Aztecs or the Mayans
Aegean Sea - Greece could represent the entire western civilisation (but I know it won't)

I've always wondered, since many of the game's civs are in fact countries, why there is such a low limit of opponents in the game. If that limit was abandoned Firaxis wouldn't have to exclude so many possible civs like Poland/Lithuania, Shona, Tibet, Ayutthaya, Nubia, Israel, Hungary, Phoenicia, The Moguls etc etc

Last but not least I would like to strike a blow (aimed directly towards Firaxis) for Scandinavia as a civ amongst the first eighteen; If it's historical renown is not enough an argument then the fact that it is the world's 6th largest video game market should be of some account. :deal:
 
Iván de España;8928626 said:
This is my list of 18 civilizations and their each 3 leaders:
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Your list was very similar to mine. Only with 3 differences

I picked
Turks
Mongols
Zulus

you put instead
Babylonian
Ethiopian
Incan

well. here your 3 and my 3 are all core elements and deserve to be in the starting 18.
let'S see which one will be?
Ethiopia is historically stronger than zulus by means of culture
Incas ~ Mongols are similar. they are both historical powers and yet their presence in the game would not effect game sales dramatically. so presence of these 2 civs in the game have similar meanings for firaxis, i assume.

about the presence of turks & babylonians. well, babylonians exist since civ1, so it will not be a surprise to have them.
on the other hand, turks represent a population of 300mio in total. and especially in turkey, computer usage and game sales are nearly in the same scale with european countries. so why i put turkey is not only because that I'm turkish.

anyway, we agree on the rest 15.
 
These are, roughly the civs I'd pick, assuming 18 for the vanilla, 10 in xp1 and 8 in xp2. I've added some leaders until about half way down when I got bored (assuming 3 for a vanilla, 2 for 1st xp and 1 for 3rd).

I balance "importance" (whatever that's supposed to mean), with cultural and geographic balance (I couldn't give a crap than the Australians had no cities, though I'm bothered a little that they had no unity ... just like the Polynesians!)

EUROPE
England, with Athelstan, Elizabeth and Victoria
Germany, with Otto the Great, Charles V and Bismarck
Russia, with Svyatoslav, Ivan the Terrible and Peter
France, with Philip Augustus, Louis XIV, and Napoleon
Poland (1st xp), with Boleslaw Chrobry and John III Sobieski
Scandinavians (2nd xp), with Cnut
Lithuania or Celts or Hungary (2nd xp), with Gediminas for Lithuania, Brennus maybe for the Gauls and maybe Stephen for Hungary

MEDITERRANEAN & MIDDLE EAST
Rome, with Augustus, Constantine and Justinian
Greece, with Alexander, Leonidas and Pericles (representing Macedonian, Spartan and Athenian angles, but don't care)
Egypt, with Ramses, Hatshepsut and Thutmose, but don't care
Arabs, Umar, Abd-al Malik and Harun al-Rashid
Persia, with Cyrus, Khusrau Anushirvan, and Tamerlane
Babylonia, Gilgamesh, Sargon, and Hammurabi
Spanish (1st xp), Alfonso the Battler and Isabella
Ottomans (1st xp), as Civ4
Israel (2nd xp), David I guess (suppose it could just as well be Solomon)

ASIA & PACIFIC:
China. QSHD, Taizong and Mao
India, Asoka, Akbar and Gandhi,
Korea, don't care
Japan, don't care
Mongolia (1st xp), Genghis and Kublai is fair enough (though KK could be China)
Khmer (1st xp), don't care
Aborigines (1st xp), don't care
Srivijaya (1st xp), don't care
Khazars (2nd xp), don't care
Polynesia (2nd xp), don't care

AMERICA:
Incas, don't care
America [aka USA], don't care
Maya (1st xp), don't care
Aztecs (1st xp), don't care
Sioux (2nd xp), don't care
Mapuche (2nd xp), don't care

SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA:
Mali, don't care
Ethiopia, don't care
Zulu (1st xp), don't care
Kanem (2nd xp), don't care
 
EUROPE
England, with Athelstan, Elizabeth and Victoria
Russia, with Svyatoslav, Ivan the Terrible and Peter

Forgive, but I dont recall who Athelstan and Svyatoslav was in my Euro history class. I think Catherine is more famous (or infamous) in Russian history than your 3 proposed leaders (on par w/ Peter the Great.)
 
Forgive, but I dont recall who Athelstan and Svyatoslav was in my Euro history class. I think Catherine is more famous (or infamous) in Russian history than your 3 proposed leaders (on par w/ Peter the Great.)

Catherine is more famous to civers. I didn't pick them based on fame. If I were doing that I'd have added Blair, Churchill, Putin, and Stalin. :)
 
Athelstan was probably the first King of England and was the grandson of Alfred the Great.
 
It is a long thread already, and I haven’t read it all, so just let me imagine myself in the shoes of Firaxis and put up 18 civs on the table:

Must be civs:

America: uh, well, the game is made here in this country, so this is number 1. We won’t call it USA, though… it looks more ancient this way 

Okay, now let’s start thinking about human history.
Oh, we all now what comes to mind first with history: Rome, Caesar and empire and Colossuem and all that popular image with that. Thus this is number 2.

Uh, but wait, Rome was preceded by Greece, all Europeans claim them as cultural ancestors. They are number 3.

What is more in ancient times? Yes, Cleopatra, and we need some hot chick anyways, and hey, the Pyramids, so we got Egypt and number 4.

Ancient times in a global view: yes, yes, China and India – and we have number 5 and 6. And also big market to sell the game for…
By the way, market, Japan must be included. Lucky thing is that they are civilization on their own right, too. So number 7 is checked.

So much for ancient times. Maybe later we get back to it.
We need plots for big nations, let’s go by continents.

Europe, naturally, we concentrate on that, as there was so much history there we learned, about: Middle age, kings, wars, world wars…

Naturally, England is inevitable, USA comes from there, so they are really a must. England is number 8.

France is next, Napoleon and those many Louise kings, Versaille and all. When we think of culture and civilization as European, we mean France – they are number 9.

Big nations? Big market? World Wars? – Germany, naturally. And Hitl.. err, anybody else that you can put there. Number 10.

Okay, but we can put in Stalin, can’t we? We can’t? Eh. Anyway, Russia is so big a land you cannot leave it out. Plus Cold War nostalgia.
Good thing we don’t need to call them a Union. Number 11 is done.

Cold War is over, but we have a new exciting enemy, the arabs – we must put them in. And some people tell me they are also civilized,
at least they have been around for a long time. Let Arabia have number 12.

This is all very evident, we can stop here, clean and safe.

What?

Africa? Uh, boy… What America? We have America, that is us. Wait… South? Ah, you mean some exotic stuff is needed?
OK, so we can’t stop by 12, we must put in more… let it be 12 plus a half dozen then.

One for Africa, and one for South-America, then.

Hm, you checked our past games and forums and say Shaka is so iconic?
So barbarian and wild that he is loved? OK, Shaka then. Zulu, number 13.

What is there mentioned? Monty? Montgomerry? No? Montezuma? Ah, well.
Blood-sheding, sounds good. More Pyramids. Ok, so Aztecs. 14.

You say that Aztecs are not South? A pity. What the hell is there, then? Gold, more gold, Macchu Picchu, I see. Incas, then, is 15.

Likely civs:

Can’t we stop here? We got 15.
Marketing? You say 15 looks shallow? 18 is more lucrative? Sounds like „many”? OK, Ok…

Then let’s check what we have so far:

Europe:
Rome, Greece
England, France, Germany, Russia.
Boy, how come we leave out so rich a market as those nordic countries?
Hm, but you cannot choose any of them, let”s have them all as Vikings. That’s clever. 16, then.

Hm, you say that we will translate the game to languages and Spanish is a much spoken one? Heh, well, put that in then, so we already have 17, Spain.

You really want 18? Gimme a break… Just spin the globe and stop anywhere random…
Australia? Come on, we already had South…
I have better idea, let’ sell America twice, and give that last place to the Indians. No, not India, I mean… you know, that Sitting Bill guy? Bull? S...it.
Never mind, we can fold thus as 18. (Sioux)

Phew, never again we will make a civ game.
Whaaat? Expansions???
 
For BtS I tipped Sri Vijaya as a potential surprise civ. But this time around I've gone with the Uzbeks, maybe they're too similar to the Mongols, maybe they're too similar to the Russians, maybe they're too similar to the arabs, maybe they don't have a big market there in central asia, maybe they didn't play a big enough role in world history (debatable)

and maybe they'd be really interesting (and unique) to play as ;)

Don't get me wrong, I still would like to play as Sri Vijaya too
 
I'd say that these are givens:

Greece (Alexander, Pericles)
Rome (Julius Caesar, Augustus)
England (Elizabeth, Victoria)
France (Napoleon, Louis XIV)
Germany (Bismarck, Frederick the Great)
Russia (Catherine, Peter)
America (Washington, Lincoln)
India (Gandhi, Asoka)
China (Mao, QSH)
Japan (Tokugawa Ieyasu, Meiji)
Egypt (Hatshepsut, Ramses II)
Aztecs (Montezuma II, Itzacoatl)

These are likely (though not all of them would necessarily be in):
Persia (Cyrus, Darius)
Arabia (Saladin, Harun ar-Rashid)
Babylon (Hammurabi, Nebuchadrezzar)
Mongols (Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan)
Incas (Pachacuti, Huayna Capac)
Spain (Isabella, Philip II)
Zulu (Shaka, Cetshwayo)

And then if there is one surprise, it'll be one of these (IMO):
Iroquois (Hiawatha, Deganawida)
Sioux (Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse)
Cherokee (Ostenaco, Oconostota)
Mali (Mansa Musa, Sundiata Keita)
Ethiopia (Menelik II, Ezana)
Kongo (Afonso, Joao)
Benin (Ewuare, Idia)
Nubia (Taharqa, Amanitore)
Srivijaya (Samaratungga, Dharmasetu)
Khmers (Suryavarman II, Jayavarman VII)
 
I know everyone is crazy about Shaka, but c'mon Firaxis! Please pick a substantial Sub-Saharan civ: Mali, Ethiopia, Benin, or Yoruba are all great choices.
 
I know everyone is crazy about Shaka, but c'mon Firaxis! Please pick a substantial Sub-Saharan civ: Mali, Ethiopia, Benin, or Yoruba are all great choices.

That's what I've been saying, but Firaxis has never stood for historical accuracy so...
 
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