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[cybrxkhan]

Actually you have a point there, Calgacus... But I still hope the Vikings/Scandinavians were just on the trailer to look cool. Not that I have anything against them, I feel some other civilizations should get the place. Then again, most of them will be in by the 2nd expansion, so oh well.

 

[Dragonflow]

I think it's okay to have the Vikings in from the beginning. We are pretty sure that there WILL BE expansions, so every civ will get in at some time. Also loosing the Incas won't be a big deal and Scandinavia is a big market so I am sure they are in.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Well, if they have to be in, then at the least please don't have Ragnar as a leader!

Yeah, but I guess I'll reluctantly accept it, but be kind of a little angry still if the Vikings are in over, say, the Incas or what not. Oh well. It's the developers' choice, I can always wait to see what the expansions give (actually to be honest the expansions do have a much more interesting and if not more "controversial" set of civilizations in them).

 

[Dragonflow]

I hope the Vikings get Cnut the Great instead of Ragnar.

 

[AlphaShard]

Did you guys know that technically Germany is younger then the US? Founded in 1871, almost a century after the USA. Just thought that was an interesting note for those that think the US is too young to be a Civ.

 

[Dragonflow]

There was a Germany from 962 A.D. up until 1803 A.D. afterwards there were smaller states and then the reunion of 1871.

 

[say1988]

Of course the German civilization existed long before the German Empire (which can easily be viewed as a direct continuation of Prussia, which goes back to the 13th century, as the German Empire was just an expansion of Prussian rule, and a successor to the HRE and other German states).

 

[apenpaap]

Egyptians
Vikings on a ship
Istanbul/Constantinople (whichever one that means)
Japanese
Mongol warrior

That is what I saw. Whether they are guarantees or not is another matter.

The Egyptians are more or less certainly in. The Japanese are also very likely. I very much hope the Mongols are in. I hope the Scandinavians aren't. They're good for an expansion pack, but not major enough. And I hope the other one is the Turks (since Byzantium is more or less included with Rome).

 

[Dragonflow]

I personally hope that Rome has one Byzantine Emperor as leader, since Rome and Byzantium are the same. But I don't really understand what's the problem with the Viking in Vanilla ciV.

 

[Arakhor]

It's like saying that the United Kingdom is too young to be in, as it's only 303 years old. The separate kingdoms have been there since the 8th or 9th centuries though.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Having the UK as a civilization is like having the USSR instead of Russia. The UK is not even a civilization, it's just a state, the unity of which is provided by the fact that it is 90% English. The English are the historic civilization (and if you think you disagree, please tell me with a straight face that a "new civilization" was born in 1707 ).

 

[Arakhor]

Heh. I'm not claiming that the UK should be in in the slightest I don't think that only 6 million people (10% of the UK population) live in Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland though!

 

[AlphaShard]

The English got started around 1066 with William, so at least their nearly a millenium old.

I'm not trying to argue Germany's placement it just seems like they are in the same boat as the US. A country made from the merging of several others. I just want to know if they actually called themselves Germans before 1871 or were they (HRE, Prussian, Bavarian, Austrian, etc)

 

[Arakhor]

The Norman Conquest marks the rough start of the Middle Ages, but England had been a kingdom since Aethelstan, some 110 years earlier.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Heh. I'm not claiming that the UK should be in in the slightest I don't think that only 6 million people (10% of the UK population) live in Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland though!

Yeah, it's maybe more like 85%.

The English got started around 1066 with William, so at least their nearly a millenium old.

England was already a few centuries old as a state when it was conquered by the Normans. Latest date of formation would be 954, the year Eadred firmly becomes ruler of Northumbria.

I just want to know if they actually called themselves Germans before 1871 or were they (HRE, Prussian, Bavarian, Austrian, etc)

Yes, since at least the 11th century, and seemingly as early as the 9th. As has been stated elsewhere, the common name for what we call the "Holy Roman Empire" almost everywhere was simply "Germany" (obviously its forms in other languages).

 

[Dragonflow]

Quoting AlphaShard:

The English got started around 1066 with William, so at least their nearly a millenium old.

I'm not trying to argue Germany's placement it just seems like they are in the same boat as the US. A country made from the merging of several others. I just want to know if they actually called themselves Germans before 1871 or were they (HRE, Prussian, Bavarian, Austrian, etc)

I don't know when the term German appeared but it was already around during the early 16th century as the "Holy Roman Empire" got the extensio "of German Nations". The name "Holy Roman Empire of German Nations " appeared after an imperial decree in 1514. So the term German is at least 500 years old and possibly even older. The Germans called themselves Germans already during the early miholy ddle-ages, though the tribe names were still used like Bavarians,Saxon etc. Considering the confusion about the HRE and it's inhabitants calling themselves Holy Romans, well nobody used that name. The people called themselves Germans, Italians, Bohemians etc.

 

[say1988]

The HRE was elected as King of the Germans (or some variation thereof) and the to be coronated HRE by the Pope (though this largely never occurred later on).

And the HRE itself was the Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation (Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation) after 1512.

Then in 1815 you have the Deutscher Bund (German Confederation)

Prussians were as German as a New Yorker or Californian are American.

And even if you exclude the HRE as an entity, you cannot deny the direct connection between Prussia and the German Empire (at least in practice, it was less a merging of German states than the rest submitting to the Prussians), putting the history back to the 13th century (with the Tuetonic Knights).

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Now that we've seen the trailer, I think this is what the civ list will be (unfortunately. I do not endorse this, I just think it is likely)

Americas:
America (Washington, Lincoln)
Aztecs (Montezuma, Itzacoatl)

Europe:
England (Elizabeth, Victoria)
France (Napoleon, Louis XIV)
Germany (Bismarck, Frederick II)
Greece (Alexander, Pericles)
Rome (Julius Caesar, Augustus Caesar)
Russia (Peter, Catherine)
Spain (Isabella, Philip II)
Vikings (Canute, Ragnar Lodbruk)

Africa:
Egypt (Hatshepsut, Ramses II)
Zulu (Shaka, Cetshwayo)

Asia:
China (Mao, QSH)
India (Asoka, Gandhi)
Japan (Tokugawa Ieyasu, Meiji)
Mongols (Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan)

Middle East
Turks (Mehmed II, Suleiman)
Arabia/Persia/Babylon (Saladin/Harun ar-Rashid/Cyrus/Darius/Hammurabi/Nebuchadrezzar)

 

[cybrxkhan]

^IF the trailer is to be believed as our 'prophecy' here, so to speak, then that does seem like the list.

That is...

IF the trailer provides actual clues, instead of just looking cool.

 

[Izanaki]

As a viking fan who tends to play as vikings I for one am really glad that they have been semi-confirmed by the trailer. I'm also hoping they get some kind of privateer-like unit which makes them a threat and annoyance on the seas in the earlier ages of the game.

Now I know some other important civilization needs to be cut from the game due to their inclusion, but I don't mind some less important civ being removed like maybe China, Rome or Russia in favor of the Vikings