Civ VII civs

Thenewwwguy said:
I thought it would be an interesting idea to think of a civ game which kinda follows in the footsteps of Super Smash Bros Ultimate, in that it brings back every civ that existed in past games, with exclusions or modifications to civs or leaders that were poor choices, and a maximum of 2 leader options for civs which have had more than 2 possible leaders. I also made the assumption that this game would have dynamic city lists, so civs with a lot of city lists would accomodate each other by not founding the same city as another civ, even if the city itself has a different name. It would also have a set of new civs and leaders, italicized in this list. Note that I have included civs/leaders which I perceive as likely to be added to Civ 6 in NFP or later, but are still italicized for the sake of consistency.

1. America — Abraham Lincoln and George Washington
2. Achaemenids — Cyrus the Great and Darius the Great
3. Afghanistan — Ahmad Shah Duranni
4. Angola — Ana Nzinga
5. Arabia — Harun al-Rashid and Shajar al-Durr
6. Assyria — Ashurbanipal and Sennacherib
7. Australia — John Curtin
8. Austria — Maria Theresa
9. Aztecs — Montezuma I
10. Babylon — Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar
11. Benin — Ewuare
12. Berbers — Dihya
13. Burma — Anawrahta
14. Brazil — Pedro II
15. Britons — Boudicca
16. Byzantines — Alexios Komnenos and Theodora
17. Canada — Wilfred Laurier
18. Champa — Prakasadharma
19. China — Wu Zetian and Yongle
20. Chola — Rajaraja Chola
21. Coast Salish — Chief Seattle
22. Cree — Poundmaker
23. Denmark — Margaret (a new leader was chosen as to avoid thematic overlap)
24. Egypt — Cleopatra and Ramses the Great
25. England — Elizabeth II and Richard the Lionheart
26. Ethiopia — Zara Yaqob and Menelik II
27. France — Louis XIV *
28. Gauls — Brennus and Vercingatorix
29. Germany — Otto Von Bismarck *
* = Charlemagne is an alt-leader for both France and Germany
30. Georgia — Tamar the Great
31. Ghaznavids — Sabuktigin
32. Goths — Theodoric
33. Gran Colombia — Simón Bolívar
34. Greece — Pericles and Gorgo
35. Haiti — Touissant L’overture
36. Hawaii — Kamehameha the Great
37. Hittites — Puduhepa
38. Hungary — Matthias Corvinus
39. Huns — Atilla
40. Inca — Pachacuti and Huayna Capac
41. Indonesia — Gitarja and Dapunta Hyang
42. Ireland — Brian Boru
43. Iroquois — Hiawatha and Jigonhsasee
44. Japan — Oda Nobunaga and Meiji
45. Khmer — Suryavarman II and Jayavarman VII
46. Kongo — Mvemba a Nzinga
47. Korea — Sejong and Gwanggaeto
48. Mali — Musa Keita
49. Maori — Honga Hika
50. Mapuche — Lautaro
51. Maurya — Ashoka and Chandragupta
52. Maya — Pacal and Lady Six Sky
53. Mongolia — Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan
54. Morocco — Ahmad al-Mansur
55. Mughals — Akbar and Nur Jahan
56. Navajo — Manuelito
57. Norway — Harald Hardrada
58. Nubia — Aminatore
59. Oman — Said bin Sultan
60. Ottomans — Mehmed II and Suleiman the Magnificent
61. Phoenicians — Dido and Hannibal Barca
62. Poland — Jadwiga and Casimir the Great
63. Portugal — Joao II
64. Rome — Augustus Caesar and Hadrian
65. Russia — Catherine the Great and Peter the Great
66. Safavids — Abbas I
67. Sapmi: Isak Saba
68. Scotland — Robert the Bruce
69. Scythia — Tomyris
70. Seljuks — Malik-Shah I
71. Sioux — Sitting Bull
72. Shoshone — Pocatello
73. Shona — Nyatsimba Mutota
74. Songhai — Askia Mohammed
75. Soviet Union — Lenin
76. Spain — Isabella and Phillip II
77. Swahili — Al-Hasan ibn Suleiman
78. Sumer — Gilgamesh
79. Sweden — Gustavus Adolphus
80. Taino — Anacoana
81. Timurids — Timur
82. Thailand — Ramkhanhaeng
83. Tonga — Momo
84. Tuscany — Mathilda
85. Venice — Erico Dandolo
86. Vietnam — Ngo Quyen
87. Yemen — Arwa al-Sulyahi
88. Zulu — Shaka and Cetshwayo
89. Muisca — Nemenque
90. Purepecha — Eréndira
91. Guarani — Sepe Tiaraju
92. Argentina — Eva Perón
93. Lan Xang/Laos — Setthathirath
94. Ghana — Kaya Magan Cisse
95. Macedon — Alexander the Great
96. Madagascar — Ranavalona
97. Ashanti — Osei Kofi Tutu
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Why is Elizabeth II there
 
I want Odysseus as the leader of Greece so Sean Bean can reprise his role from Troy in Civ 7

A list from a concept for Civ 7 I posted. Each civ would have exactly two leaders with a focus on adding new characters for existing civs, returning characters from iii and v, and brand new civs:

leaders
usa: jfk and abe lincoln
maya: smoke jaguar and lady six sky
inca: huyana capac and pachacuti
persia: xerxes i and shapur ii
india: indira gandhi and shah jahan
china: wu zetian and cao cao
japan: oda nobunaga and emperor meiji
mongolia: genghis khan and kublai khan
egypt: djoser and hapshetsut
carthage: dido and hannibal
greece: leonidas and odysseus
rome: nero and constantine
england: king henry viii and queen victoria
france: king louis xiv and joan of arc
germany: otto von bismarck and charlemagne
spain: joanna and el cid
russia: catherine and vladimir lenin
lakota: sitting bull and crazy horse
akkadia: sargon and enheduanna
the philippines: emilio aguinaldo and corazon aquino
ireland: grace o'malley and michael collins
benin: euware i and idia
 
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XX36789 said:
I want Odysseus as the leader of Greece so Sean Bean can reprise his role from Troy in Civ 7

A list from a concept for Civ 7 I posted. Each civ would have exactly two leaders with a focus on adding new characters for existing civs, returning characters from iii and v, and brand new civs:

leaders
usa: jfk and abe lincoln
maya: smoke jaguar and lady six sky
inca: huyana capac and pachacuti
persia: xerxes i and shapur ii
india: indira gandhi and shah jahan
china: wu zetian and cao cao
japan: oda nobunaga and emperor meiji
mongolia: genghis khan and kublai khan
egypt: djoser and hapshetsut
carthage: dido and hannibal
greece: leonidas and odysseus
rome: nero and constantine
england: king henry viii and queen victoria
france: king louis xiv and joan of arc
germany: otto von bismarck and charlemagne
spain: joanna and el cid
russia: catherine and vladimir lenin
lakota: sitting bull and crazy horse
akkadia: sargon and enheduanna
the philippines: emilio aguinaldo and corazon aquino
ireland: grace o'malley and michael collins
benin: euware i and idia
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there are so many poor leader choices here i don’t know where to even start tbh.

Odysseus? You mean a fictional character from Homer?

El Cid? The traiterous knight towards both Al-Andalus and Spain who flip flopped for who fought for, much less ruled?

Jean D’Arc, a peasant-knight, Civ’s most criticized leader choice of all time, and someone who was barely relevant for more than a few days before being assassinated?

Nero, an infamously terrible ruler

Lenin, a ruler of the Soviet Union, which other than sharing a landmass, doesn’t exactly share any qualities with Russia.

Indira Gandhi, an autocrat who forcibly made the poor in India infertile as well as the perpetrator of a genocide against Sikhs, and Shah Jahan, often credited for being the first emperor to begin the decline of the Mughal Empire.

And that’s not even getting into the fact that there’s like 20 civs in this list, many of which should not under any circumstances be making this list over other absent ones
 
Thenewwwguy said:
I thought it would be an interesting idea to think of a civ game which kinda follows in the footsteps of Super Smash Bros Ultimate, in that it brings back every civ that existed in past games, with exclusions or modifications to civs or leaders that were poor choices, and a maximum of 2 leader options for civs which have had more than 2 possible leaders. I also made the assumption that this game would have dynamic city lists, so civs with a lot of city lists would accomodate each other by not founding the same city as another civ, even if the city itself has a different name. It would also have a set of new civs and leaders, italicized in this list. Note that I have included civs/leaders which I perceive as likely to be added to Civ 6 in NFP or later, but are still italicized for the sake of consistency.

1. America — Abraham Lincoln and George Washington
2. Achaemenids — Cyrus the Great and Darius the Great
3. Afghanistan — Ahmad Shah Duranni
4. Angola — Ana Nzinga
5. Arabia — Harun al-Rashid and Shajar al-Durr
6. Assyria — Ashurbanipal and Sennacherib
7. Australia — John Curtin
8. Austria — Maria Theresa
9. Aztecs — Montezuma I
10. Babylon — Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar
11. Benin — Ewuare
12. Berbers — Dihya
13. Burma — Anawrahta
14. Brazil — Pedro II
15. Britons — Boudicca
16. Byzantines — Alexios Komnenos and Theodora
17. Canada — Wilfred Laurier
18. Champa — Prakasadharma
19. China — Wu Zetian and Yongle
20. Chola — Rajaraja Chola and Rajendra Chola
21. Coast Salish — Chief Seattle
22. Cree — Poundmaker
23. Denmark — Margaret (a new leader was chosen as to avoid thematic overlap)
24. Egypt — Cleopatra and Ramses the Great
25. England — Elizabeth I and Richard the Lionheart
26. Ethiopia — Zara Yaqob and Menelik II
27. France — Louis XIV *
28. Gauls — Brennus and Vercingatorix
29. Germany — Otto Von Bismarck *
* = Charlemagne is an alt-leader for both France and Germany
30. Georgia — Tamar the Great
31. Ghaznavids — Sabuktigin
32. Goths — Theodoric
33. Gran Colombia — Simón Bolívar
34. Greece — Pericles and Gorgo
35. Haiti — Touissant L’overture
36. Hawaii — Kamehameha the Great
37. Hittites — Puduhepa
38. Hungary — Matthias Corvinus
39. Huns — Atilla
40. Inca — Pachacuti and Huayna Capac
41. Indonesia — Gitarja and Dapunta Hyang
42. Ireland — Brian Boru
43. Iroquois — Hiawatha and Jigonhsasee
44. Japan — Oda Nobunaga and Meiji
45. Khmer — Suryavarman II and Jayavarman VII
46. Kongo — Mvemba a Nzinga
47. Korea — Sejong and Gwanggaeto
48. Mali — Musa Keita
49. Maori — Honga Hika
50. Mapuche — Lautaro
51. Maurya — Ashoka and Chandragupta
52. Maya — Pacal and Lady Six Sky
53. Mongolia — Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan
54. Morocco — Ahmad al-Mansur
55. Mughals — Akbar and Nur Jahan
56. Navajo — Manuelito
57. Norway — Harald Hardrada
58. Nubia — Aminatore
59. Oman — Said bin Sultan
60. Ottomans — Mehmed II and Suleiman the Magnificent
61. Phoenicians — Dido and Hannibal Barca
62. Poland — Jadwiga and Casimir the Great
63. Portugal — Joao II
64. Rome — Augustus Caesar and Hadrian
65. Russia — Catherine the Great and Peter the Great
66. Safavids — Abbas I
67. Sapmi: Isak Saba
68. Scotland — Robert the Bruce
69. Scythia — Tomyris
70. Seljuks — Malik-Shah I
71. Sioux — Sitting Bull
72. Shoshone — Pocatello
73. Shona — Nyatsimba Mutota
74. Songhai — Askia Mohammed
75. Soviet Union — Lenin
76. Spain — Isabella and Phillip II
77. Swahili — Al-Hasan ibn Suleiman
78. Sumer — Gilgamesh
79. Sweden — Gustavus Adolphus
80. Taino — Anacoana
81. Timurids — Timur
82. Thailand — Ramkhanhaeng and Narai
83. Tonga — Momo
84. Tuscany — Mathilda
85. Venice — Erico Dandolo
86. Vietnam — Ngo Quyen
87. Yemen — Arwa al-Sulyahi
88. Zulu — Shaka and Cetshwayo
89. Muisca — Nemenque
90. Purepecha — Eréndira
91. Guarani — Sepe Tiaraju
92. Argentina — Eva Perón
93. Lan Xang/Laos — Setthathirath
94. Ghana — Kaya Magan Cisse
95. Macedon — Alexander the Great
96. Madagascar — Ranavalona
97. Ashanti — Osei Kofi Tutu
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Working on a few of the potential designs.
 
Here’s the full compilation of 100 Civs and 129 leaders:

1. America — Abraham Lincoln and George Washington
2. Achaemenids — Cyrus the Great and Darius the Great
3. Afghanistan — Ahmad Shah Duranni
4. Angola — Ana Nzinga
5. Arabia — Harun al-Rashid and Shajar al-Durr
6. Assyria — Ashurbanipal and Sennacherib
7. Australia — John Curtin
8. Austria — Maria Theresa
9. Aztecs — Montezuma I
10. Babylon — Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar
11. Benin — Ewuare
12. Berbers — Dihya
13. Burma — Anawrahta
14. Brazil — Pedro II
15. Britons — Boudicca
16. Byzantines — Alexios Komnenos and Theodora
17. Canada — Wilfred Laurier
18. Champa — Prakasadharma
19. China — Wu Zetian and Yongle
20. Chola — Rajaraja Chola and Rajendra Chola
21. Coast Salish — Chief Seattle
22. Cree — Poundmaker
23. Denmark — Margaret (a new leader was chosen as to avoid thematic overlap)
24. Egypt — Cleopatra and Ramses the Great
25. England — Elizabeth I and Richard the Lionheart
26. Ethiopia — Zara Yaqob and Menelik II
27. France — Louis XIV *
28. Gauls — Brennus and Vercingatorix
29. Germany — Otto Von Bismarck *
* = Charlemagne is an alt-leader for both France and Germany
30. Georgia — Tamar the Great
31. Ghaznavids — Sabuktigin
32. Goths — Theodoric
33. Gran Colombia — Simón Bolívar
34. Greece — Pericles and Gorgo
35. Haiti — Touissant L’overture
36. Hawaii — Kamehameha the Great
37. Hittites — Puduhepa
38. Hungary — Matthias Corvinus
39. Huns — Atilla
40. Inca — Pachacuti and Huayna Capac
41. Indonesia — Gitarja and Dapunta Hyang
42. Ireland — Brian Boru
43. Iroquois — Hiawatha and Jigonhsasee
44. Japan — Oda Nobunaga and Meiji
45. Khmer — Suryavarman II and Jayavarman VII
46. Kongo — Mvemba a Nzinga
47. Korea — Sejong and Gwanggaeto
48. Mali — Musa Keita
49. Maori — Honga Hika
50. Mapuche — Lautaro
51. Maurya — Ashoka and Chandragupta
52. Maya — Pacal and Lady Six Sky
53. Mongolia — Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan
54. Morocco — Ahmad al-Mansur
55. Mughals — Akbar and Nur Jahan
56. Navajo — Manuelito
57. Norway — Harald Hardrada
58. Nubia — Aminatore
59. Oman — Said bin Sultan
60. Ottomans — Mehmed II and Suleiman the Magnificent
61. Phoenicians — Dido and Hannibal Barca
62. Poland — Jadwiga and Casimir the Great
63. Portugal — Joao II
64. Rome — Augustus Caesar and Hadrian
65. Russia — Catherine the Great and Peter the Great
66. Safavids — Abbas I
67. Sapmi: Isak Saba
68. Scotland — Robert the Bruce
69. Scythia — Tomyris
70. Seljuks — Malik-Shah I
71. Sioux — Sitting Bull
72. Shoshone — Pocatello
73. Shona — Nyatsimba Mutota
74. Songhai — Askia Mohammed
75. Soviet Union — Lenin
76. Spain — Isabella and Phillip II
77. Swahili — Al-Hasan ibn Suleiman
78. Sumer — Gilgamesh
79. Sweden — Gustavus Adolphus
80. Taino — Anacoana
81. Timurids — Timur
82. Thailand — Ramkhanhaeng and Narai
83. Tonga — Momo
84. Tuscany — Mathilda
85. Venice — Erico Dandolo
86. Vietnam — Ngo Quyen
87. Yemen — Arwa al-Sulyahi
88. Zulu — Shaka and Cetshwayo
89. Muisca — Nemenque
90. Purepecha — Eréndira
91. Guarani — Sepe Tiaraju
92. Argentina — Eva Perón
93. Lan Xang/Laos — Setthathirath
94. Ghana — Kaya Magan Cisse
95. Macedon — Alexander the Great
96. Madagascar — Ranavalona
97. Ashanti/Akan — Osei Kofi Tutu
98. Netherlands — William of Orange
99. Shawnee — Tecumseh
100. Phillippines — Lapu Lapu
 
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Thenewwwguy said:
Here’s the full compilation of 100 Civs and 129 leaders:

1. America — Abraham Lincoln and George Washington
2. Achaemenids — Cyrus the Great and Darius the Great
3. Afghanistan — Ahmad Shah Duranni
4. Angola — Ana Nzinga
5. Arabia — Harun al-Rashid and Shajar al-Durr
6. Assyria — Ashurbanipal and Sennacherib
7. Australia — John Curtin
8. Austria — Maria Theresa
9. Aztecs — Montezuma I
10. Babylon — Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar
11. Benin — Ewuare
12. Berbers — Dihya
13. Burma — Anawrahta
14. Brazil — Pedro II
15. Britons — Boudicca
16. Byzantines — Alexios Komnenos and Theodora
17. Canada — Wilfred Laurier
18. Champa — Prakasadharma
19. China — Wu Zetian and Yongle
20. Chola — Rajaraja Chola and Rajendra Chola
21. Coast Salish — Chief Seattle
22. Cree — Poundmaker
23. Denmark — Margaret (a new leader was chosen as to avoid thematic overlap)
24. Egypt — Cleopatra and Ramses the Great
25. England — Elizabeth I and Richard the Lionheart
26. Ethiopia — Zara Yaqob and Menelik II
27. France — Louis XIV *
28. Gauls — Brennus and Vercingatorix
29. Germany — Otto Von Bismarck *
* = Charlemagne is an alt-leader for both France and Germany
30. Georgia — Tamar the Great
31. Ghaznavids — Sabuktigin
32. Goths — Theodoric
33. Gran Colombia — Simón Bolívar
34. Greece — Pericles and Gorgo
35. Haiti — Touissant L’overture
36. Hawaii — Kamehameha the Great
37. Hittites — Puduhepa
38. Hungary — Matthias Corvinus
39. Huns — Atilla
40. Inca — Pachacuti and Huayna Capac
41. Indonesia — Gitarja and Dapunta Hyang
42. Ireland — Brian Boru
43. Iroquois — Hiawatha and Jigonhsasee
44. Japan — Oda Nobunaga and Meiji
45. Khmer — Suryavarman II and Jayavarman VII
46. Kongo — Mvemba a Nzinga
47. Korea — Sejong and Gwanggaeto
48. Mali — Musa Keita
49. Maori — Honga Hika
50. Mapuche — Lautaro
51. Maurya — Ashoka and Chandragupta
52. Maya — Pacal and Lady Six Sky
53. Mongolia — Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan
54. Morocco — Ahmad al-Mansur
55. Mughals — Akbar and Nur Jahan
56. Navajo — Manuelito
57. Norway — Harald Hardrada
58. Nubia — Aminatore
59. Oman — Said bin Sultan
60. Ottomans — Mehmed II and Suleiman the Magnificent
61. Phoenicians — Dido and Hannibal Barca
62. Poland — Jadwiga and Casimir the Great
63. Portugal — Joao II
64. Rome — Augustus Caesar and Hadrian
65. Russia — Catherine the Great and Peter the Great
66. Safavids — Abbas I
67. Sapmi: Isak Saba
68. Scotland — Robert the Bruce
69. Scythia — Tomyris
70. Seljuks — Malik-Shah I
71. Sioux — Sitting Bull
72. Shoshone — Pocatello
73. Shona — Nyatsimba Mutota
74. Songhai — Askia Mohammed
75. Soviet Union — Lenin
76. Spain — Isabella and Phillip II
77. Swahili — Al-Hasan ibn Suleiman
78. Sumer — Gilgamesh
79. Sweden — Gustavus Adolphus
80. Taino — Anacoana
81. Timurids — Timur
82. Thailand — Ramkhanhaeng and Narai
83. Tonga — Momo
84. Tuscany — Mathilda
85. Venice — Erico Dandolo
86. Vietnam — Ngo Quyen
87. Yemen — Arwa al-Sulyahi
88. Zulu — Shaka and Cetshwayo
89. Muisca — Nemenque
90. Purepecha — Eréndira
91. Guarani — Sepe Tiaraju
92. Argentina — Eva Perón
93. Lan Xang/Laos — Setthathirath
94. Ghana — Kaya Magan Cisse
95. Macedon — Alexander the Great
96. Madagascar — Ranavalona
97. Ashanti/Akan — Osei Kofi Tutu
98. Netherlands — William of Orange
99. Shawnee — Tecumseh
100. Phillippines — Lapu Lapu
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What ones were added from the original list of 96?
 
Codeword Iroquois said:
What ones were added from the original list of 96?
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the last 4: Ashanti, Netherlands, Shawnee and Philippines. I kinda added the last 2 just to round it out to a nice 100
 
i know some of my ideas were questionable but hear me out my ideas have a specific flow to them

like with the romans i wanted nero and constantine since they represented opposite ends of the history of the roman empire. nero led rome from its golden age to a period of ruin, while constantine found god and reunited the empire into a new and glorious thing. also nero is a fun character, hes like the joker.
 
Codeword Iroquois said:
Thanks.
List, with ideas, located here:https://docs.google.com/document/d/19wyGhQixQpmQZL0-74CNlBTJAVHRDu0DgIhe3x-I3Mg/edit?usp=sharing
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I’d say that Manifest Destiny might be good if they can buy tiles from neighboring civs for increased gold (300-400) and maybe a national park bonus.

For achaemenids, I’d perhaps give the achaemenids an ability related to freeing the jews, perhaps an ability that does the following: Gains 3 inspirations for liberating city states. Captured cities culture bomb, and any improvement providing culture adds +1 loyalty to a captured city. I like the cyrus cylinder lui, provided it can add +1 amenity, and some loyalty. Darius’s ability, Satrapies could also benefit from having some culture benefit as well.

I would change Panipat’s name to Battle at Panipat, and perhaps add a little bit more to it, as it seems fairly weak. Perhaps give a combat bonus towards enemies of a different religion as well? I would also make the Afghan UU the Zamburak as a bombard replacement that can attack after movement, has additional movement.

I would perhaps pick a different UI for Angola, a cinema doesn’t feel appropriate not especially unique. Also keep in mind that Angola is specifically the Kingdom of Angola/Ndongo, rather than the modern state. For Nacota, I would go faith and gold. Colonial Resistence is a good UI, perhaps add a combat bonus to civs with trade routes to angola.

House of Wisdom also feels weak. I would add science and culture bonuses for each civ which has friendship, additional for alliances, and more for trade routes. Like +1 science/culture for each friendship and trade route and +2 for each alliance. I’d also give Shajar a spy bonus.
 
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