Civ VII Weekly Reveal Guessing Thread

[Metecury]

What about Timur/ Tamerlane as a potential leader?

After all we got Persia the Mongols and the Moughals, basically if they added Timur as a leader we would have the natural progression of the timurid empire. It also plays nicely with the whole evolving your civ theme.

I can see Tamerlane with an ability that gives him specialists in the capital every time he takes a city but reduces the population further after conquest.

 

[Zaarin]

I'd find Shah Rukh less one-note than Timur, not to mention we are already drowning in warmongers.

 

[Lord Lakely]

I've a feeling Tamerlane and Kamehameha are the two missing leaders, yeah,(largely based on the lack of a leader for both Mongolia and Hawaii) and I would be pleased if they were.

Tamerlane also fits the bill of a male leader who could be Mongol adjacent, and have two persona's. A militaristic one, and one focused on arts and science.

If not Tamerlane, then who? Kemal Atatürk? Diplomatic/Scientific and Diplomatic/Cultural?

 

[Zaarin]

Kemal Atatürk

He wouldn't be the worst 20th century nationalist leader from the Middle East, though I'd still be surprised if they chose someone that potentially controversial. Same with Reza Shah Pahlavi.

Tamerlane also fits the bill of a male leader who could be Mongol adjacent

Pretty sure our "Mongol-adjacent" leaders are Xerxes, Ashoka World Conqueror, and Catherine. YMMV on "adjacent." Though I'm still expecting Temujin to show up sooner rather than later--in the first round of DLC if he's not in the base game (where his odds grow ever slimmer).

 

[Lord Lakely]

No, I've already written off Temüjin completely. Had he been in, he would have been revealed by now, surely.

 

[Xandinho]

I've a feeling Tamerlane and Kamehameha are the two missing leaders, yeah,(largely based on the lack of a leader for both Mongolia and Hawaii) and I would be pleased if they were.

The lack of a Hawaiian leader is truly disappointing. Hawaii feels so isolated—without neighboring civilizations for proper historical progression and without a leader... It’s a situation very similar to the Incas, though at least they have a leader.

Hopefully, they’ll fix this in the first DLCs.

 

[Zaarin]

No, I've already written off Temüjin completely. Had he been in, he would have been revealed by now, surely.

I haven't written him off completely, but his odds of appearing now do seem low.

 

[Hellenism Salesman]

It really makes you wonder why the devs even mentioned that thing about “making a mistake” by not including him in the prior base game(s)…

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

It really makes you wonder why the devs even mentioned that thing about “making a mistake” by not including him in the prior base game(s)…

I wondered about why they mentioned that too, and why they would've given Rome > Normans > Britain as an example that inspired civ swapping without having Britain in the game.

My thoughts are either 1) the Devs are very on the sleeve about things, but also not media trained, and aren't thinking through the consequences of what they say. They're going "off script" if you will, and revealing internal conversations about the cases for things, but not follow up conversations about why things get left out.

2) I wonder if there was a late decision to pull some content from the base game in order to have some content ready for early DLC packs. Perhaps temujin and Britain were meant to be in the base game, but when the release date started drawing near they became uncertain about polishing the game alongside developing additional civs, and reduced the scope of the launch package. After all it's still the joint most leaders on launch and "most ever civs" on launch.

Both those things just don't really fit with some idea that everything has gone to plan for me, and especially with Ed Beach talking about the Britain one it leaves me wondering what is going on...

 

[mitsho]

Perhaps Temujin and Britain come with one of the first DLCs - and it's hard to keep track which civ/leader is base game and not

Anyways, it's not so tragic. These will be in

 

[Jeppetto]

I failed to find the article and really wish to read it now. Because everyone seems to lean heavily to how "devs said not including Genghis Khan's Mongolia was a mistske", but from the title I got impression that it was just Sid Meier's personal opinion, that needs not be aligned with the rest of the dev or marketing team.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

I failed to find the article and really wish to read it now. Because everyone seems to lean heavily to how "devs said not including Genghis Khan's Mongolia was a mistske", but from the title I got impression that it was just Sid Meier's personal opinion, that needs not be aligned with the rest of the dev or marketing team.

It's a bad look though if the guy who's name is on the box disagrees with what you've put in the box

 

[Jeppetto]

It's a bad look though if the guy who's name is on the box disagrees with what you've put in the box

The guy's name is on the box mostly for copyright. Are you sure you would agree with every opinion of Sid Meier to such point you would sacrifice anything good that came from mind of his successors? If him just disagreeing is enough to throw something into trash can? Maybe we lost another dynasty of Persia, which would be smoother transition, just so that Mongolia is featured, as an ultimatum solution. Maybe there would not be space for Benjamin Franklin to cede it to Genghis Khan.

 

[pokiehl]

It's a bad look though if the guy who's name is on the box disagrees with what you've put in the box

I think you're reading way too much into this.

 

[Zaarin]

I failed to find the article and really wish to read it now. Because everyone seems to lean heavily to how "devs said not including Genghis Khan's Mongolia was a mistske", but from the title I got impression that it was just Sid Meier's personal opinion, that needs not be aligned with the rest of the dev or marketing team.

Yes, Dennis Shirk said Sid was shocked.

The guy's name is on the box mostly for copyright. Are you sure you would agree with every opinion of Sid Meier to such point you would sacrifice anything good that came from mind of his successors? If him just disagreeing is enough to throw something into trash can? Maybe we lost another dynasty of Persia, which would be smoother transition, just so that Mongolia is featured, as an ultimatum solution. Maybe there would not be space for Benjamin Franklin to cede it to Genghis Khan.

Yes, Sid made a revolutionary game in the early 90s, but that doesn't necessarily mean every opinion he has on gaming is sacred gaming scripture.

 

[Jeppetto]

Yes, Dennis Shirk said Sid was shocked.

Thanks, dunno why google search was useless in finding this.

It's all odd anyway. I believed Genghis was paid DLC as planned in Civ 5, implying the team went with its vision despite Sid. But the article actually claims they bent to his shock and seemingly prioritized release of Genghis DLC and made it free, as remedy.

Why was Genghis then not only not in Base, but even not in early DLC in Civ 6? Without actual answer from devs, we may only speculate. Either newer team stood by its vision of Genghis being DLC draw or that others deserve representation earlier than him. Or Sid thought Genghis is essential for Civ 5 specifically, not any Civ contextlessly.

I would say Civ 6 shows that If the current team wishes to represent other figures (especially now that they don't have to be actual Leaders, so alternatives are more numerous) or have different gameplan for Genghis or want to capitalize on him, they would go for it despite Sid - provided Sid would even have the same objection at all.

All in all I would need to know why Genghis wasn't in Base of Civ 6. Did Sid not mind it, gave up or they chose to act differently?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

All in all I would need to know why Genghis wasn't in Base of Civ 6. Did Sid not mind it, gave up or they chose to act differently?

Once they aren't in one base game, and the fandom doesn't completely explode, I guess they get a pass for the future ones.

In that regard, I'm now half expecting someone like Babur to appear. He founded the Mughal Empire and could be a Central Asian link to Persia, Mongolia, and the Mughals. Though I do admit Ulugh Beg might be more interesting for that role, but I think we're past that point and only including Modern leaders now?

 

[j51]

Genghis and the Mongols weren’t in the base games of civ 3 either I think.

 

[Hellenism Salesman]

I think you're reading way too much into this.

Yes.

 

[Vennlig]

Looking forward to the higher intensity reveals post Christmas break! I found the drip feed of tiny amounts of info so far painful!