Civ4 Lovers/Civ5 Haters Level of Optimism for Civ6

[Lemon Merchant]

Here's what myself and others have been trying to point out. In all honesty, why should the modding community have to fix anything from a AAA title?

As a member of the modding community, I completely agree with this. I don't mind spending my time to provide extra content, or to change the game up in some way to make it more fun. But I'm not going to devote my time to fix issues that should be addressed by the developers. The exception to that is to improve the AI in some way.

But to fix broken things? To heck with that. I've got better things to do.

 

[Aristos]

I said: "I have total confidence that I will get my monies worth". Ultimately, the funny thing about this, is if you don't think one should pre-order then don't pre-order (I assume you didn't). I think that if you are confident you will enjoy the game, like me, you should pre-order (I did). At the end of the day both of us are going to stick with our decisions because we feel they are the right decision. That's it.

No, that's not it. One decision is rational, and the other is irrational. There is plenty of research about the dichotomy between Instant Gratification and Postponement.

There is a reason they USED to teach children the values of postponement starting in Pre-School... savings, planning for the future, not becoming a hoarder, having goals for life, a huge lot of things depends on this critical skill.

 

[Aristos]

While I agree with most of your above statement SM, I don't think this is a case of being dumb. I believe that this is more of a case of how effective the PR/Marketing departments in reaching their target demographics, and people simply believing the info instead of waiting and seeing how the final product is going to turn out.

Believing the info about a non-existent product is NOT rational.

 

[Aristos]

But to fix broken things? To heck with that. I've got better things to do.

Such as playing the Immortal...

 

[Staler87]

How is pre-ordering a game instant gratification? Spend money on something you're not going to get until a couple months later is not exactly my definition of instant gratification.

 

[Aristos]

How is pre-ordering a game instant gratification? Spend money on something you're not going to get until a couple months later is not exactly my definition of instant gratification.

Well, then your definition is wrong. Think about what you are achieving by pre-ordering... yes, exactly, you are feeding your own hype, feeling excited already about a game that, technically, does not exist yet, but hey, you have it NOW, NOOOOW, unlike all those suckers that do not "HAVE" it yet... hehehe... wait?

Seriously. Pre-ordering is the perfect Instant Gratification. The concept itself is really not about having the product NOW, but having the "high" related to the product NOW. From the marketing point of view, it's the perfect IG. You have your high NOW, they have your money NOW, but the product is still only vaporware. Perfect.

I can see my old Marketing guru instructor of the 90's laughing his head off if he would have lived this era of market-skimming, and I can hear him talking about the target audience, and the adjectives he would be using...

 

[salty mud]

How is pre-ordering a game instant gratification? Spend money on something you're not going to get until a couple months later is not exactly my definition of instant gratification.

Dude, you've already laid down your money for a product that isn't even open to the general public yet. Just so you can have the "I can't wait to play this on release day" feeling. How is that NOT instant gratification?

 

[need my speed]

is there any argument to be made in favour of pre-ordening it? Why not wait with buying it until it is released? Because that may take a day longer? Well, exactly.

 

[Lazteuq]

I think they are offering some kind of special DLC deal for people who preorder, I guess thats the only long-term benefit. Some people really place a high value on being first though. For example, my cousin will wait outside and then rush in to a game store in a crowd of people right on the minute when the store opens, to get the game on release day. I guess it makes him feel good. In the case of Civ VI, though, its sold online(unlimited copies), so I really don't understand the hurry to buy.

 

[Staler87]

When you pre-order the game you get the Aztecs immediately. The only difference between pre-ordering and buying it day one is that you don't get the Aztecs. I'll admit that this isn't the biggest draw but what has been nice is knowing I've already paid for civ VI.

You guys seem to be confusing instant gratification with something else. You do know that instant means - right now. It doesn't mean sooner than other people.

I'm pretty sure I'd have the 'I can't wait to play this on release day' feeling whether or not I pre-ordered it. Pre-ordering it has does nothing for my emotional state, despite what some of you may believe.

I really don't get why arguing that it is a personal decision that ultimately doesn't really matter too much, is deemed so unreasonable and in fact that the entire decision to pre-order games is indicative of society's failures.

 

[salty mud]

When you pre-order the game you get the Aztecs immediately. The only difference between pre-ordering and buying it day one is that you don't get the Aztecs. I'll admit that this isn't the biggest draw but what has been nice is knowing I've already paid for civ VI.

You guys seem to be confusing instant gratification with something else. You do know that instant means - right now. It doesn't mean sooner than other people.

I'm pretty sure I'd have the 'I can't wait to play this on release day' feeling whether or not I pre-ordered it. Pre-ordering it has does nothing for my emotional state, despite what some of you may believe.

I really don't get why arguing that it is a personal decision that ultimately doesn't really matter too much, is deemed so unreasonable and in fact that the entire decision to pre-order games is indicative of society's failures.

It does matter, you just keep burying your head in the sand and refuse to see why. You've already stated that by pre-ordering you get the Aztec civilisation in addition to the rest of the game. You seem to accept and be complicit in the removal of content from the base game to entice people to pre-order. This is wrong on many levels. By pre-ordering, you are encouraging developers to remove content from their products and dangle it like a carrot on a string, just to get people to pre-order.

It links back to the gratification argument. You're getting something other people don't. You're getting the Aztec civilisation because you pre-ordered. This gives you bragging rights and, even more unfairly, a more complete game experience than those that decided to wait and see whether the product is actually worth their cash. It's indefensible.

 

[Strong Reaction]

Ive played civ 2, civ 3 and civ 4. civ 3 being my favorite, civ 4 is OK, but I refuse to play 5. I completely lost interest with that iteration of the game. I don't even plan on getting 6 as it will most likely be worse than 5. It seem like the game is regressing rather than getting more nuanced with every release.

 

[Staler87]

It does matter, you just keep burying your head in the sand and refuse to see why. You've already stated that by pre-ordering you get the Aztec civilisation in addition to the rest of the game. You seem to accept and be complicit in the removal of content from the base game to entice people to pre-order. This is wrong on many levels. By pre-ordering, you are encouraging developers to remove content from their products and dangle it like a carrot on a string, just to get people to pre-order.

It links back to the gratification argument. You're getting something other people don't. You're getting the Aztec civilisation because you pre-ordered. This gives you bragging rights and, even more unfairly, a more complete game experience than those that decided to wait and see whether the product is actually worth their cash. It's indefensible.

So now you're arguing against gratification and not just instant gratification. I'm sorry but if the company want to entice people to spend money now instead of later that's not un-ethical it's good business. Everyone has a fair shot to pre-order they're just rewarding their fan-base that has obviously put trust in them. I don't know about you but if I had the Aztec civ I'm not going up to my buddy and bragging about how I'm the cool guy cause I pre-ordered civ and got the Aztecs.

How is it unfair that since I put more faith in the game than you, laid down my money earlier for the company to use, the company then rewards me? It isn't grossly unethical the civ is unlocked after a couple months for everyone. Or are you too interested in the instant gratification of playing them that you will go on about how unethical the company is. I dunno you seem to be making a lot bigger deal of this than it really is (which is nothing).

 

[rah]

If I actually was excited about the game, I'd pre order it, just because 60 bucks is less that the price of a haircut and really wouldn't be missed. But I'm not excited so they get zip.
Maybe after they've fixed it and enough people here are saying good things, maybe.
BUT it will have to be the IV crew and not the V crew saying good things.
Because I value the opinion of the people here.

 

[Lexicus]

If I actually was excited about the game, I'd pre order it, just because 60 bucks is less that the price of a haircut and really wouldn't be missed. But I'm not excited so they get zip.

Serious question, where do you get your hair cut that it's more than $60? Mine is $25 and there's a place near where I used to live that did it for $15.

BUT it will have to be the IV crew and not the V crew saying good things.
Because I value the opinion of the people here.

Same.

 

[rah]

I've been going to the same guy for over 20 years so even though it's only 40 bucks, I tip him well. He's driven to my house when I was too busy or ill, and even picked me up from the train stations when my wife's car broke down once. His service is rewarded. And as I said, that amount is a drop in the bucket for me. Maybe after I retire, I'll scale back, but for now........

 

[lymond]

yep, rah, definitely won't even sniff this game until I see what folks here think of it. (especially Lemon! can't wait to see what she thinks )

(ha..and I get $40+ haircuts too. big difference from a Hair Butchery and a real professional. ofc, some gents don't require very complicated follicle procedures)

 

[6K Man]

I've been going to the same guy for over 20 years so even though it's only 40 bucks, I tip him well. He's driven to my house when I was too busy or ill, and even picked me up from the train stations when my wife's car broke down once. His service is rewarded. And as I said, that amount is a drop in the bucket for me. Maybe after I retire, I'll scale back, but for now........

Jeez, rah, now you have to post a picture of your hair.

I get my hair cut in the financial district over my lunch break, and so I’m willing to pay C$40 for the convenience. U$40 seems like a lot for a monthly haircut.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

(especially Lemon! can't wait to see what she thinks )

You might be waiting a while. I'm waiting for a serious sale.

U$40 seems like a lot for a monthly haircut.

You poor guys. I'm not even allowed to walk into the salon for less than C$100.

 

[6K Man]

You might be waiting a while. I'm waiting for a serious sale.



You poor guys. I'm not even allowed to walk into the salon for less than C$100.

Do you get your hair cut every 3-4 weeks? Most women I have known get their hair cut about half as often as I do.

Or are you saying that if you really wanted Civ6, all you'd have to do is grow your hair out?