CIV6 Civs and Leaders

[HanNorwood]

imho:

99.9%: China, Japan, Egypt, America
Pretty Sure: Rome, France, England, Russia, Arabia, Ottomans, Germany, Greece, Persia
Probable: India, Aztec
Speculation: Native American, SE Asian, African

Reasoning:
Apart from the pretty much confirmed civs, all of the 2nd tier civs would be no brainers considering the history of the game, these are probably unlikely subject to change though something like Germany being replaced by Spain or France/Ottomans being released as a DLC in the following month along with a scenario is not beyond possibility.
The probable civs would be a no surprise inclusion in the game. The dev team might decide to throw a curve ball replacing India with the Mughals (alternative land representation) or Aztec might be replaced by Maya for the base game and released shortly later.
That leaves 3 i think left over which make more sense speculating about, with at least one most probably from the Americas (Sioux, Iroqouis etc.), one probably being African (Mali would be appreciated) and one being SE Asian possibly (Khmer or Siam or along those lines). Ed Beach (who is doing a good service for Civ imho) mentioned that one civ will be one not released in previous iterations, and an educated guess would be that it's the Sioux or Comanche (though technically they've been released in Colonization) or Ghana, Benin, Axum, Mossi etc.?

Regardless, as usual id like to see Armenia in the game they would have some cool abilities, or the Indus Valley Civilization one of the earliest civs, though their undeciphered language wouldn't help.

Sioux were in Civ II, and the Comanche received some representation with the Shoshone's UU in Civ V. Armenia though, I would love to see them in the game. Really an interesting culture.

Another Civ I think would be a great addition to the game, and represent Sub-Saharan Africa, is the Kingdom of Dahomey, led by Agaja. His trade for weaponry, as well as his real life Amazon soldiers, would lead to some unique options as a Civ.

EDIT: I probably misread, and you were referring to the Comanche being in Colonization.

 

[Guandao]

Is there any other suitable leader for the Netherlands other than William the Silent?

I wouldn't mind seeing female leaders for Korea and Maya (Seondeok and Yohl Ik'nal, for example)

 

[Civciv5]

Well since the devs have disregarded the historical competence of leaders and have chosen to select their leaders by "fame" or "interesting personalities", we'll probably be seeing Montezuma again.

Any other leader than Genghis Khan for Mongolia would be an insult to history.

I'm surprised they didn't go with Wu Zetian again. She had a very interesting personality. Smart, intelligent, cunning but also deceiving, ambitious, ruthless and merciless. As far as fame goes, I'd place her behind Qin Shi Huang.

Catherine's probably in again, or maybe Peter or Ivan IV. Persia will probably have Darius I, Cyrus II or Xerxes, or Borandukht if they're looking for a female. Greece will most likely have Alexander again, though Leonidas of Sparta might also be possible.

For France it's either Napoleon, Louis XIV, or Joan of Arc.

Isabella's probably back for Spain again, along with Elizabeth or Victoria, and Bismarck/Frederick.

If Vietnam is included, the Trung Sisters are the obvious choice; if Khmer, Suryavarman II.

Rome will eiter have Augustus or Julius Caesar. Japan will have either Oda Nobunaga, Tokugawa, Hideyoshi or Meiji.

The Inca will have Pachacuti or Huayna Capac.

Korea will have Sejong again or perhaps Wang Kon or Seondeok.

 

[ipsyko]

I feel like the devs definitely designed civ VI to be more accessible to more people. Would be surprised if they did anything outside of that with leaders as well - opting for those with more recognizability/starpower than anything else. Hence Cleopatra, Teddy, etc.

My predictions outside of the already confirmed would be:

France (Joan of Arc)
Rome (Julius Caesar)
England (Victoria or Churchill)
Greece (Alexander)
Mongolia (Genghis Khan)
Japan (Tokugawa)
Germany (Bismarck)
Aztec (Montezuma)
The Sioux (Sitting Bull)
Persia (Cyrus II)
Babylon (Hammurabi or Nebuchadnezzar)
Inca (Huayna Capac)
Russia (Peter)
Zulu (Shaka)

The rest are a crap shoot after that for me.

 

[killmeplease]

Richard the Lionheart is pretty famous too

 

[Cyon]

I think that a Kongo civ would be a good candidate for a Unique District, giving them a Raffia Mill district that gets bonus production and make some culture /gold from adjacent rainforest tiles, could also produce a Raffia Cloth unique luxury and have a place for both economic and production buildings.

Kongo would also fit the new civilization criteria, TSL criteria and also a female leader of they go with queen Nzinga .

Her agenda and/or leader trait could be something about turning different stronger civs against each other since she used the Netherlands against Portugal.

UU could be Pombo a spear/pike replacement which gets bonus in Rain forest, no rough terrain movment restrictions and a chance of dodging all damage from ranged attacks.

UA could be bonus stuff in the capital for each of your other cities and suzerian (spelling?) CS .

 

[orasis]

Adolf Hitler - Germany.

Now before you react, remember... Joseph Stalin was in CIV 4.

 

[killmeplease]

Adolf Hitler - Germany.

Now before you react, remember... Joseph Stalin was in CIV 4.

Qin Shi Huang is no better, just an ancient Mao

 

[JFD]

I feel like the devs definitely designed civ VI to be more accessible to more people. Would be surprised if they did anything outside of that with leaders as well - opting for those with more recognizability/starpower than anything else. Hence Cleopatra, Teddy, etc.

My predictions outside of the already confirmed would be:

France (Joan of Arc)
Rome (Julius Caesar)
England (Victoria or Churchill)
Greece (Alexander)
Mongolia (Genghis Khan)
Japan (Tokugawa)
Germany (Bismarck)
Aztec (Montezuma)
The Sioux (Sitting Bull)
Persia (Cyrus II)
Babylon (Hammurabi or Nebuchadnezzar)
Inca (Huayna Capac)
Russia (Peter)
Zulu (Shaka)

The rest are a crap shoot after that for me.

I think it was strongly hinted that Hideyoshi would be the Japanese leader.

Maybe they'll change Babylon for Sumer.

And Ed Beach did mention that at least some of the civs have never been seen before (which could technically include the Sioux ), so I'd wager that Zulu will be left out for DLC/Expansion.

Qin Shi Huang is no better, just an ancient Mao

Yes, but, given the state of the 20th century world, Hitler/Mao probably should've known better... Which to my mind is what makes him worse.

 

[nunor]

Any other leader than Genghis Khan for Mongolia would be an insult to history.

This is very... inaccurate, to say the least.

 

[Veras]

If Vietnam is included, the Trung Sisters are the obvious choice;

Well, the Trung Sisters are a frequent mention here in the forums but I've never seen a serious discussion of how would they be implemented as civ leaders. Since civ I, the series has never had two simultaneous leaders for 1 civ. Will they make an exception? Seems unlikely considering the amount of work they're putting on leader's expression. So if not, do we get Trung Trac or Trung Nhi?

Assuming civ 6 will return with multiple leaders and both sisters are in, what would be the difference between them in terms of Agenda?

Those are just some of the questions that pop in my head and make me think they are not an ideal choice. On top of that, they ruled for only three years, essentially resisting the chinese in a state of exception before being finally defeated. The lack of more extensive historical sources also make it difficult (not impossible) to create uniques and agendas based on them.

Ho Chi Minh, on the other hand, not only led the independence movement, but effectively ruled Vietnam for 35 years, successfully resisting the far more advanced armies of Japan, France and the United States in the process. There's plenty of stuff about him and he definitely has the famous face Firaxis seems to be looking for in civ 6.

 

[DeutschDachs]

I think it was strongly hinted that Hideyoshi would be the Japanese leader.

Maybe they'll change Babylon for Sumer.

And Ed Beach did mention that at least some of the civs have never been seen before (which could technically include the Sioux ), so I'd wager that Zulu will be left out for DLC/Expansion.



Yes, but, given the state of the 20th century world, Hitler/Mao probably should've known better... Which to my mind is what makes him worse.

The Sioux were in Civ II

 

[Thormodr]

Adolf Hitler - Germany.

Now before you react, remember... Joseph Stalin was in CIV 4.

Hitler as leader equals an auto ban for the game in Germany.

So, although they have had other ruthless dictators in the game in the past, Hitler just isn't going to happen. Period.

 

[tat501]

Hitler as leader equals an auto ban for the game in Germany.

So, although they have had other ruthless dictators in the game in the past, Hitler just isn't going to happen. Period.

Weird huh.

Joan f Arc btw? She never actually "led" France. Astonishing historical figure - perhaps one of the most intriguing and fascinating events in the histoey of the world that that actually happened - but she was always more of a mascot than genuine leader of a nation. As a great general she could be in certainly.

 

[Civciv5]

Gandhi never led India either, Joan could easily be the leader of France.

 

[lp_04]

It would be great if all the leaders were new/different from civ V. This could work:

Rome (Julius Caesar)
Greece (either Pericles or Leonidas; I would prefer Pericles)
France (Louis XIV)
Britain (Q. Victoria)
Russia (either Peter I or Ivan IV)
Germany (possibly Frederick II; I would even consider Charlemagne even being too controversial)
Japan (Hideyoshi)
India (Asoka or Akbar, depending on the focus of the Indian subcontinent civ they implement)
Mongolia (Kublai Khan)
Arabia (either Umar II or some abbasid caliph, like As-Saffah)
Persia (either Xerxes I or the Great Cyrus II)
Aztec (Montezuma II)
Sioux (Sitting Bull)
Kongo (Nzinga)
Sumer (either Gilgamesh, Eannatum, Ur-Nammu or Sargon, all of them being very good)

 

[killmeplease]

Rome (Julius Caesar)
Sumer (either Gilgamesh, Eannatum, Ur-Nammu or Sargon, all of them being very good)

sargon was accadian

 

[Louis XXIV]

Well, the Trung Sisters are a frequent mention here in the forums but I've never seen a serious discussion of how would they be implemented as civ leaders. Since civ I, the series has never had two simultaneous leaders for 1 civ. Will they make an exception? Seems unlikely considering the amount of work they're putting on leader's expression. So if not, do we get Trung Trac or Trung Nhi?

Trung Trac is almost always given the primary status with the choice between the two.

Qin Shi Huang is no better, just an ancient Mao

Qin founded a dynasty that lasted for 600 years. That German guy led his country to ruin. They're not comparable.

 

[Lord Tirian]

Somebody on reddit just posted a photo from the GameStar. Looks like Hojo Tokimune is the Japanese leader.

Unexpected choice. Interesting to see where they will go with this in terms of abilities.

 

[Bast]

I hope to see more unexpected choices in terms of leaders and civilizations. This series deserves better than the Cleopatras and usual names and civilizations that we've seen for the nth time in a row.