Civ7 now includes Denuvo

[Trav'ling Canuck]

Don't count on it. The only other Firaxis game with Denuvo, Marvel's Midnight Suns, still has Denuvo almost two years after release.

Maybe they forgot about it, just like the people who bought it.

Spoiler Midnight Suns Current Steam Players :

 

[bladex1200]

Don't count on it. The only other Firaxis game with Denuvo, Marvel's Midnight Suns, still has Denuvo almost two years after release.

Well that's a disappointment... If it really was a good game I'd probably buy it on discount, then, but I'd prefer not to encourage normalizing Denuvo even further as it stands.

 

[Kwami]

Maybe they forgot about it, just like the people who bought it.

Spoiler Midnight Suns Current Steam Players :

They most recently patched the game in June, 2024. They had plenty of chances to remove Denuvo and chose not to.

 

[tedhebert]

Don't count on it. The only other Firaxis game with Denuvo, Marvel's Midnight Suns, still has Denuvo almost two years after release.

Maybe they forgot about it, just like the people who bought it.

Spoiler Midnight Suns Current Steam Players :

Well that's a disappointment... If it really was a good game I'd probably buy it on discount, then, but I'd prefer not to encourage normalizing Denuvo even further as it stands.

In fact, it IS a good game… there’s just not much of a replay value… but I did get 200hours of gaming out of it which is very decent…

but those of us who bought it stopped playing because replay is… meh… so I’m not surprised they’re not spending any time and money on this

 

[Gedemon]

And they'd also be badmouthing a business partner, which is something you'll want to avoid.

if they had removed it in a patch only for Denuvo, it would have allowed comparaison, which could have been reassuring, as was done for one of the Assassin Creed games AFAIK, without notable differences.

Can really be a coincidence, can also be a way to hide a bad implementation in the middle of other optimizations.

 

[Kwami]

In fact, it IS a good game… there’s just not much of a replay value… but I did get 200hours of gaming out of it which is very decent…

but those of us who bought it stopped playing because replay is… meh… so I’m not surprised they’re not spending any time and money on this

Indeed, it was quite good! I never went back to play the last two DLCs, though.

 

[Linklite]

It wouldn't surprise me if Marvel Midnight Suns has Denuvo because Disney stipulated it though. Disney is very protective of its IP.

 

[Lazy sweeper]

I found one fairly quickly - Persona 3. View the EULA, search for Denuvo, and it specifically says Denuvo Anti-Tamper.

Definitely not good news. I have yet to buy a game with Denuvo. In part because most of the games I've wanted to buy haven't had it, but there is one - Anno 1800 - that I've been holding off on for five years, waiting until it drops Denuvo and its Ubisoft Store requirement. Looks like a fantastic game, but there are plenty of other fantastic games out there, no need to jump through hoops for any particular game.

I think this more than cancels out the good news of "no 2K launcher in Civ VII".

I'll also note that this is the first time I've heard of the difference between the "Anti-Tamper" and "Anti-Cheat" variants of Denuvo... usually it's just mentioned as "Denuvo".

1800 is also like full price 70 eur yet it's 10 y old, i didn't even know about Denuvo.
I'm not going to spend more than 10 bucks on 1800 anyway.
I would have maybe spent 50 at launch, with a Full Game licence,
not that kind of crap their trying to sell, ending in a 300 bucks for a full game...
then it was not on Steam untill this year... other major letdown...
Still now after all DLCs its like 70-100 bucks? No way I'm buying it.

Since Covid I haven't bought a single game. I can't afford any.
I know I had Denuvo bc of AC Origin once, since then, I have been checking that I can play
the game offline as the most annoying part of these Spyware stuff, is your Internet slowing your PC down
or even halting it, bc of a missed ping... this is really the worst part, and I unplug my PC from the Internet
before starting Ubisoft now.

Always Internet is a BAD habit.

 

[Leyrann]

the game offline as the most annoying part of these Spyware stuff, is your Internet slowing your PC down

I feel like this thread should have a warning that you need to agree to before you can post in it, and it should say:

"I understand that Denuvo Anti-Tamper is not the same thing as Denuvo Anti-Cheat, and that Denuvo Anti-Tamper is not a separate program and does not have kernel-level access."

(nothing against you personally, but I feel like I'm correcting someone on this at least once per page...)

 

[Lazy sweeper]

It's up to the game creator how often the tokens are authenticated. At a minimum, they're authenticated at installation and whenever hardware is changed.

I own the game, I bought it, It's up to me to have it installed on how many tablets, handhelds, laptops, PC, linux, whatever in my possession. Tokens? HW ID?
What has anything of this has to do with piracy???
HW changed, this is tha kinda BS that I have a copy of legit Windows but I can not install it on the same machine bc I have swapped the old mechanical SATA to a new SSD drive
and I have to pay Microsoft a new licence???

I hope Anti-Tamper has nothing to do with that. I do not allow ANY of my machines I use for gaming to connect to the Internet.

 

[Lazy sweeper]

I feel like this thread should have a warning that you need to agree to before you can post in it, and it should say:

"I understand that Denuvo Anti-Tamper is not the same thing as Denuvo Anti-Cheat, and that Denuvo Anti-Tamper is not a separate program and does not have kernel-level access."

(nothing against you personally, but I feel like I'm correcting someone on this at least once per page...)

It's stuff like these Tokens or HW changes stuff that I don't get it, I'm pretty suspicious by nature on stuff I don't fully comprehend...
HW change tokens is another beast entirely from Kernel.
It's about the right to own your games in an Offline world.

I know, I can play AC Origin offline on Steam.
Will this be the case with C7 also?
I don't know.

Denuvo or not, this is what worries me the most. I'm pleased Kernel is not, but I got Denuvo before, and it didnt stop me.
Internet always requirement Do stop me.
Linux is Ok tho. That can stay connected.

 

[Leyrann]

It's stuff like these Tokens or HW changes stuff that I don't get it, I'm pretty suspicious by nature on stuff I don't fully comprehend...
HW change tokens is another beast entirely from Kernel.
It's about the right to own your games in an Offline world.

I know, I can play AC Origin offline on Steam.
Will this be the case with C7 also?
I don't know.

As I understand it, which to be clear is pretty limited compared to what some others could tell you, you will most likely need to connect to the internet the first time you boot up the game on a device, but not after that.

 

[Lazy sweeper]

As I understand it, which to be clear is pretty limited compared to what some others could tell you, you will most likely need to connect to the internet the first time you boot up the game on a device, but not after that.

I mean, like that it's ok. ( it's not really, bc I still use XP and WIN 7 PCs as well, and I like those machines to keep working... not having to rely on Microsoft nor Internet... but , move on..)
Even if I would prefer to have a physical copy, like I have my 9 physical copies of civ 3, just as back up... you have to insert your CD... it's ok... kinda...
I just hate the game to tell me I can't save to the cloud and then I have to spend three minutes trying to understand what is going on...
Or have to try go offline for 30 minutes bc I have only local saves and the game (or launcher 1 or 2, etc) won't allow me to play it.
But that is Ubisoft... So far I never had this kind of problems with 2K...

 

[Lazy sweeper]

5 activation in 24 hour limit means I can install the game 5 times over if it happens I have or want to but have to wait 24 between re-install (my PC might broke or something and I am forced to, e.g.) if I need to do it a 6th time or is it a 5 machines limit where they keep a record of your HW token and after 5 install you are blocked from further installs? NOT clear...

OR I can only start the GAME 5 TIMES FROM 5 different machines in a 24h time span ( SO I can not Multiplay Hotseat in my home if I have 10 different PC's - OK I run a Internet cafè kinda home, none of your business - kind of scenario prevention ) ???? But I can Start a game with 10 human players and Stream my PC to 9 other friends if that's the case right????
Oh, now everybody sees everybody turns and needs to obfuscate with OBS??? I mean what is it trying to prevent this tamper thing??? Selling my copy to a friend??? Why would I want to risk my Steam account on that??? I dont get it...

 

[pokiehl]

OR I can only start the GAME 5 TIMES FROM 5 different machines in a 24h time span ( SO I can not Multiplay Hotseat in my home if I have 10 different PC's - OK I run a Internet cafè kinda home, none of your business - kind of scenario prevention ) ????

I'm having a challenging time understanding what your posts are saying (why would you need 10 PCs to do Hotseat?). But you would never be able to do this anyway. With or without Denuvo Anti-Tamper, Steam DRM only allows a given game to be played on one device at a time, no matter how many devices you install it on.

I mean what is it trying to prevent this tamper thing??? Selling my copy to a friend??? Why would I want to risk my Steam account on that??? I dont get it...

It's preventing piracy. Again, with or without Denuvo Anti-Tamper, Steam does not allow you to transfer licenses from one account to another, so this point is moot I think.

 

[Lazy sweeper]

Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo Anti-tamper
5 activations withing 24 hours machine activation limit.

Just confirming, this is what a Steam page of CIV VII says.
Yeah, I will stay away from this product as far as possible.


One of the reasons I bought Humankind and everything that was realeased for It, including music dlc's, as a sign of support for NO-DRM.

EDIT:
I would like to add that everyone, that has any plans on changing their hardware more than five times from the first launch of the game, will have a bad time.
Even more bizarre, if I would decide to change compatibility module on linux more than five times I won't be able to play this game any more - had this issue before.
Real shame...

I change, reconfigure my PC more than once a year. Sometime even 10 times in a week, just because the system become unstable ( Windows new patches, old graphic drivers, and a lot of other stuff, mainly related to how windows screw up everything that it touches, not even thinking about talking about win 11, the sole thinking makes me nervous...)...

So yes, I definitely change more than 5 time HW a year , and do not keep tracks of how many installations I have to do. Fortunately Steam needs only a mail code to unlock...
I have professional software with my HW tokens, and If I reach the limit, I have to navigate to their site, and remove the licences added...
I hope this is not the case with Denuvo... do they keep track of these 5 licences???

 

[Lazy sweeper]

I'm having a challenging time understanding what your posts are saying (why would you need 10 PCs to do Hotseat?). But you would never be able to do this anyway. With or without Denuvo Anti-Tamper, Steam DRM only allows a given game to be played on one device at a time, no matter how many devices you install it on.

It's preventing piracy. Again, with or without Denuvo Anti-Tamper, Steam does not allow you to transfer licenses from one account to another, so this point is moot I think.

It's a metaphor for me having to reinstall my PC 10 times in a week bc Microsoft forced updates keeps screwing my PCs up.
Only I invite 10 friends at home and decides to have a Multi-LAN party at Civ whilst everything works...
Where are those 5 installs tokens stored? Steam or Denuvo??? Steam is fine, we know it can be trusted...

 

[pokiehl]

It's a metaphor for me having to reinstall my PC 10 times in a week bc Microsoft forced updates keeps screwing my PCs up.
Only I invite 10 friends at home and decides to have a Multi-LAN party at Civ whilst everything works...

If you need to reinstall Windows 10 times a week I think your computer has some serious issues.

Again, regardless of Denuvo: You couldn't do a multiplayer LAN game with other people using only 1 Steam account anyway. Everyone would need to have their own Steam account and own copy of the game.

 

[Lazy sweeper]

It's not a computer, it's a virus. Second name Blue screen of death. It's name is Microsoft and there's nothing I can do. DVD is original and that makes absolutely zero difference to them.
Civ VII could ship Physical with Pre-Order. Zero Denuvo. Just insert your CD and enter code. Old School Anti-piracy. Everyone Happy.

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[Kwami]

As I understand it, which to be clear is pretty limited compared to what some others could tell you, you will most likely need to connect to the internet the first time you boot up the game on a device, but not after that.

That's unlikely to be true. Denuvo periodically expire and you'll have to reconnect whenever that happens.