Civ7 now includes Denuvo

[pokiehl]

Not sure what you mean by "semi-able". They have cracked games with this software. I also recall the claim being that "no denuvo game can be cracked" - which is clearly false.

You're responding to something I'm not saying.

There isn't any game with Denuvo that has been released in the last year or so (maybe up to 2 years at this point, forgetting the exact threshold) that has been cracked. This is factual. Pirates complain about new games with Denuvo quite vocally now because they know it means the game won't be cracked.

I said "semi-capable" because the person who was releasing pirated game copies with Denuvo wasn't actually even removing or cracking Denuvo itself; they found a workaround to bypass it. That workaround is now gone and that person is also gone.

 

[TheGrayFox]

Read back in this thread. No game with Denuvo has been cracked for something like nearly 2 years at this point. And before that, there was only 1 person semi-capable of it, and they are now gone.

What... Empress had a cracked Hogwarts Legacy bypassing Denuvo DRM in 14 days

 

[Serenia]

Denuvo only allows offline gaming for a certain amount of time - till token authorization period expires.
After that, game wont let me play, no matter if it's just a single player campaign I want to continue - from personal experience.
And that's a fact.

So did I spend $100 for a game I wont be able to play (off line) soon after launch?

Thats a waste of money I cannot afford.. Will Steam give me a refund if my game stops working?

Can I hold off from downloading the game (on 11 Feb) until issues have been resolved?

Is there a time limit to download the game if I dont do it immediately?

I do not have a 2K account and I do not plan to play any multiplayer games.

I also only have 1 PC to download the game to.

 

[pokiehl]

What... Empress had a cracked Hogwarts Legacy bypassing Denuvo DRM in 14 days

Yes, and that was released...exactly 2 years ago. Not sure where your confusion is?

 

[Kyriakos]

Glad that we cleared that, then. Because the original view in this thread - a while ago - was that literally no game with denuvo has ever been cracked and (even more strange a claim) that no game with denuvo can be ever cracked.
To say that games with it have been cracked, although it is rare, would have been a perfectly acceptable statement.

Unless this empress is a martian, we can expect other hackers to crack such games (with other methods etc) and it would be a matter of time.

 

[GrayingGamer]

and that person is also gone.

 

[Gedemon]

Glad that we cleared that, then. Because the original view in this thread - a while ago - was that literally no game with denuvo has ever been cracked

can you provide a quote ?

 

[Kyriakos]

can you provide a quote ?

yes (I will go look and edit this post with it)

edit: meh, it was back in December, and Pokiehl was saying that no game with denuvo in around 2 years has been cracked, adding that "those games won't be pirated anytime soon".
So technically correct that the mention was only for around 2 years and newer (which, of course, means nothing to people who aren't following cracking news; for example back then I got the impression that denuvo itself appeared roughly two years ago )

 

[TheGrayFox]

Yes, and that was released...exactly 2 years ago. Not sure where your confusion is?

Ahh you're right, for some odd reason I thought Harry Potter was released last year

 

[pokiehl]

Glad that we cleared that, then. Because the original view in this thread - a while ago - was that literally no game with denuvo has ever been cracked and (even more strange a claim) that no game with denuvo can be ever cracked.

No one at all said that in this thread, certainly not me.

To say that games with it have been cracked, although it is rare, would have been a perfectly acceptable statement.

But it's not "rare." That was never my point. Up until 2 years ago, Denuvo being cracked on games was in fact common and a foregone conclusion practically. After that certain threshold in time, Denuvo stopped being cracked altogether.

 

[Kyriakos]

If anything, since a version of it was cracked, we can reasonably expect this to happen again. It's a hypothetical but imo less likely to be false than to expect denuvo from now on will never be cracked.
That said, I think that's enough denuvo talk for me - possibly even for the next two years

 

[Gedemon]

If anything, since a version of it was cracked, we can reasonably expect this to happen again. It's a hypothetical but imo less likely to be false than to expect denuvo from now on will never be cracked.
That said, I think that's enough denuvo talk for me - possibly even for the next two years

it wasn't the same version that was cracked.

there are technical article out there, the stuff it does is very complex, far more than two years ago.

which is also why I'd prefer to not have its code running on my PC, what it does can't have no impact on performances.

 

[Lazy sweeper]

And that token expiration time is currently unknown. Aside from timing out, tokens are also invalidated if you change any hardware, update Windows or important drivers, or make any other changes that make Denuvo recalculate your system checksum.

that should be 5 times, at least regarding linux kernels chan∞es.

 

[Sherlock]

Denuvo appears to be beneficial, as it helps combat piracy

Why on earth would that be beneficial TO ME?

Or beneficial to 2K? Why does doing something your paying customers hate improve your business?

CivII is the first Civ game since 4 that I am not buying.

 

[VGT]

Why on earth would that be beneficial TO ME?

It's beneficial to you in a way that keeps alive franchises you like where they could perish otherwise. If game would be 100% pirated, no sales would cause next iteration to never be created.
In a perfect world anti-piracy is completely transparent and not affecting paying customer. Of course - current anti-piracy solution is not perfect. For various reasons it annoys legit paying customers, often to the point where customer turns around and is no longer paying. Question is if this is bigger part of the pie, than piracy prevention. Denuvo existing in civ7 suggests they consider that alienated part of paying fanbase will not be big enough to counter benefits from limiting piracy.

 

[Kwami]

It's beneficial to you in a way that keeps alive franchises you like where they could perish otherwise. If game would be 100% pirated, no sales would cause next iteration to never be created.
In a perfect world anti-piracy is completely transparent and not affecting paying customer. Of course - current anti-piracy solution is not perfect. For various reasons it annoys legit paying customers, often to the point where customer turns around and is no longer paying. Question is if this is bigger part of the pie, than piracy prevention. Denuvo existing in civ7 suggests they consider that alienated part of paying fanbase will not be big enough to counter benefits from limiting piracy.

Bullpoop. Plenty of other AAA games sold millions of copies without Denuvo. Baldur's Gate 3 is a great example.

 

[VGT]

Bullpoop. Plenty of other AAA games sold millions of copies without Denuvo. Baldur's Gate 3 is a great example.

And plenty of franchises that are dead (for various reasons, there might be one that would have reached expected sales due to lower piracy). World is not black and white. I'm not saying, that every game without denuvo dies. It's a complex matter and risk management, often without enough data to be sure if what you're doing is correct path.

 

[awpioreubhnfgvv346260]

And plenty of franchises that are dead (for various reasons, there might be one that would have reached expected sales due to lower piracy). World is not black and white. I'm not saying, that every game without denuvo dies. It's a complex matter and risk management, often without enough data to be sure if what you're doing is correct path.

How many games studios can blame their demise on pirates? I'd say piracy has a barely noticeable impact on sales in the grand scheme of things. No game has ever come even close to being 100% pirated. Orders of magnitude less.

 

[VGT]

I'd say piracy has a barely noticeable impact on sales in the grand scheme of things.

And 2K thinks otherwise if they are willing to pay apparently not small amount of money for Denuvo license. No offence, but in case of how to make more money I'll take a word of maniacal cash grabbing corporation than random person on the Internet.

They might be protecting what I call "bad sales". Bad sale is me currently having many doubts if I would like this game, buying it, not liking it and leaving in my account hoping it gets better in the future. But bad sale is still profit which is the goal. I haven't pirated game for decades now, but here I would consider it for one reason. To treat it as demo. To check if all those community dividing changes land with me. Because currently I'm full of doubts. And 2 hour return policy is nothing with game that takes me up to 20 to go through single playthrough and 1k+ consumed during its lifetime. And before you point it out. I know I'm actually giving example of piracy giving positive result on sales. But again - we have no data to know which scenario is affecting sales how much.

And to add to this. It also depends on publisher/developer relation with its audience. BG3 mentioned earlier - Larian Studios have great relationship with customers. So they trust them. I was buying BG3 without plans to play it for at least a month or two more, because I didn't have time. But I wanted them to succeed as much as possible. I even started it during second weekend after release despite having different plans because it felt good to be part of this hype of growing concurrent players numbers. 2K doesn't have good track record so they have to continue to treat their customers as necessary evil. Sad thing is that Firaxis probably would like to build good relation and I think they actively trying, but being under 2K umbrella diminishes any improvements in that area.

How many games studios can blame their demise on pirates?

I don't know. And you don't know. That's the point Not enough data.

 

[playshogi]

So did I spend $100 for a game I wont be able to play (off line) soon after launch?

Thats a waste of money I cannot afford.. Will Steam give me a refund if my game stops working?

Can I hold off from downloading the game (on 11 Feb) until issues have been resolved?

Is there a time limit to download the game if I dont do it immediately?

I do not have a 2K account and I do not plan to play any multiplayer games.

I also only have 1 PC to download the game to.

I pre-ordered Stellaris from a third party and installed it successfully on Steam 2 1/2 years later. Still haven't played it. Now, that's a waste of money!