Civilizations, Leaders (Traits, Fav. Civic, Fav. Religion)

[The Capo]

Sorry for the delays on the playtest, it is finished, ready and compressed, I am just having a hell of a time getting it hosted. It is very annoying and always just seems like a demoralizing waste of time.

To get over this, I have been working on Nubia, albeit very slowly. I have started to put together a set of potential flags for them, and I actually have a lot put together. In the meantime I'd like some suggestions for these flags. The mod uses flags by era, so I can have an entirely different flag for Ancient, Classical, Medieval, Renaissance, Industrial and Modern eras. I think there is even a future flag but I generally just use the modern flag for this. I think I have appropriate flags for the entire set, but before I post all of the flags that I have if anybody has any suggestions that would be helpful. Keep in mind that Nubia and Makuria are being combined for the purposes of the mod.

 

[The Capo]

Those are both great ideas, and I will probably wind up using both. These are the flags I have now, I don't know why but I bunch wound up fuzzy, just imagine them being more "crisp" when I do the final versions. I made a bunch featuring Anubis for some reason, a few are taken from mods and modules for Nubia and Makuria. Let me know what you think.

Top row: Ankh in a sun, Anubis 1, Anubis 2, Anubis 3, Anubis 4
Bottom Row: Anubis 5, Coptic Cross, Lion's Head (from History Rewritten), Makurian Cross, Makurian Cross 2

 

[Xyth]

Lions are appropriate for Kush-era (i.e. Ancient/Classical) Nubia as one of their chief deities was Apedemek, who was lion-headed and unique to Nubia - not borrowed from Egypt.

 

[The Capo]

To be clear, I have ten potential flags here plus the fact that I have the two you suggested veebs, so don't consider them all to be used. In effect, don't use the term "leave out," we are here to do decide what we will use.

So basically from what I gather so far veBear is saying that I should avoid using Anubis altogether, and Xyth is suggesting that the lion is a good symbol for Nubia in general. So I think right now what I might do is use veBear's "Eagle" for the ancient and classical era, for medieval and renaissance I will use the second Makurian cross. For Industrial and modern I can use the Sudanese coat of arms/emblem.

Now, this is not what I'd like to use. Personally I'd like to use veBear's eagle as the ancient flag, one of the Anubis heads as their classical flag, the second Makurian cross for both the medieval and renaissance eras, and then the Sudanese emblem for the Industrial era. When there is a civ that doesn't actually exist in the modern era I like to use what-if flags, or at least aesthetically pleasing flags. In this case I would probably use a more stylized/modern looking Anubis flag. The logic behind this is that I can use more creativity since the Nubian nation didn't exist in a modern fashion, so I can kind of do what I'd like. To be honest I think the Anubis head looks really cool, so here is my suggestion in an easy-to-read form...

Ancient - veBear's Eagle hieroglyph
Classical - either veBear's Eagle hieroglyph or Anubis 1
Medieval - the second Makurian cross, it looks better
Renaissance - same as medieval, the second Makurian cross
Industrial - use the Sudanese coat of arms, or some variation of that
Modern - either use the Sudanese coat of arms again, or Anubis 4 or 5 since they look "modern"
Future - Anubis 4 or 5, simply because they have a modern/futuristic look

Thoughts?

EDIT: Now Xyth, the reason I am kinda leaning away from the lion's head, even though I think it is a very appropriate symbol for Nubia, is the simple fact that the lion can be used for many civilizations, including ones in the area. The Ethiopians use the lion of Judah and there would be two regional civs with that symbol. Not to mention the Hittites will be very lion-heavy and I don't want to "overdo" it with too many civs in one module pack. So while I agree with your assertion that it would be a great symbol, I think it could be better used in other areas.

EDIT 2: And yeah, I am wordy and overthink things, but this is what makes The Capo a great modder.

 

[The Capo]

So I am getting very close to being finished with Nubia/Makuria. But I don't remember if we got a Diplomacy II-friendly personality for Taharqa (I have one for Merkurios already). I am probably just going to use the stronger Longbowman as the UU (Medjay Bowman) and I am using the Vaulted Granary as the UB although I am not sure what to use as its traits. I was kind of thinking of a Granary with either a culture bonus or with a free specialist, perhaps maybe a small bonus on percentage of food stored after growth or perhaps just a cheaper granary, so the sooner we get all of this ironed out the sooner I can move on to other projects.

 

[The Capo]

If TAdF is around I definitely need a personality for Taharqa so I can finish Nubia up, thanks.

 

[The Almighty dF]

If TAdF is around I definitely need a personality for Taharqa so I can finish Nubia up, thanks.

Can do

 

[The Capo]

Sweet, I appreciate it.

And though this isn't the thread for it, I am sorry I haven't got around to getting the playtest up, it is ready, I have just been consumed with getting Nubia finished so I can throw that into the mix too. Merkurios won't be finished though, I haven't had a lot of time to mod so I am just trying to get used to making modular civs again. The civ should be really cool, the units look fantastic and I think the flags look great too. Should be an awesome civilization, definitely might make the cut as a base-civ.

 

[The Almighty dF]

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Sorry for the delay, crazy winds yesterday caused power outages throughout my area.

Also, I'm not sure how I never noticed this, if anyone else has: Hatshepsut's favorite religion is set to Islam. I went over everything else to be sure that was the only (readily visible) issue with the base game leaders, nothin' else out of the ordinary.

 

[The Capo]

Cool, what's he gonna be like?

 

[The Capo]

Cool, I am still deciding on the colors though. I think the civs in Africa have such "drab" colors for the most part so I was trying to come up with something a bit more vibrant for Nubia, that does look great though...


...speaking of Nubia, I finished the module. There are the usual typos resulting in the wrong animations or nif tags, but all in all it looks good. The UB is great looking as are all of the units (most of them are from Bakuel, a few from Ambrox) and Merkurios is coming along nicely too. So I don't see why I shouldn't include this as a base-civ in the mod, I think Africa could use a bit more representation, and since this civ covers a long period of history (in includes ancient Nubia, as well as the medieval Kingdoms of the region) I consider it a great contender for a spot in the base-mod. I will have preview images when I get some time.

 

[The Almighty dF]

Cool, what's he gonna be like?

A protective, open-minded leader that focuses on religion and culture, while still building up a sizable army to protect his nation. Seemed like the best fit for how he spent most of his rule.

 

[The Capo]

I almost want to make Assyria available in Module Pack I, due to Taharqa's "rivalry" with Ashurbanipal and Sennacherib, but I don't really have great art available for them just yet, and while Ambrox' stuff is great it isn't as great as it could be based on the available art out there for Assyrian soldiers.

Anyway, I'm off to playtest Nubia a bit, then I'll have some screens and what-not.

 

[SargontheGreat2]

If you need any help, I want to see this mod get realised

 

[The Almighty dF]

Everything going alright? Been a couple of months without any word.

 

[Vortilex]

Holy poop you're right! You okay, Capo?

 

[The Almighty dF]

Someday, Diplomacy. Someday.


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