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[Fifty]

I actually kinda agree with Mobby about "people who want a job can get a job" provided we exclude, say, people with serious disabilities. I mean, I was a jobless wonder for a year and a half, have no particular qualifications, and got a sweet full time job (w/ full benefits if I stick with it for >6 months) paying around $20-$25/hr on my first day of job hunting. If you make finding a job your job, you'll find a job.

Maybe its just because I'm a young white sexy male though who knows how to interview

 

[Sidhe]

I'm glad other people noted the irony that MobBoss, when faced with economic insecurity, took a job with the government that exists solely because of arbitrarily created demand on the part of Congress. Obviously serving in the military is a noble calling, but if the answer to unemployment in the private sector is "join the military," it's essentially the same as a government work program.

Re: the OP, I think that there are lazy rich people and lazy poor people. I don't think there's any link. I think in practice you'd see more lazy rich people acting lazy (i.e., actually not working or doing much) because the consequence for acting lazy if you're poor is to starve, while the consequence for acting lazy while rich is to get your own reality TV series.

Cleo

I agree. And can I raise you a Paris Hilton.

I have no idea what I talkbout, mmmkay, please kindly scan and email your PhD in Economics so I feel justified to make an exit good sir?

I wouldn't doubt around 3% are always going to be labeled as "unemployed" due to errors, illegal immigrants that have a job but somehow got counted on a census. People who get paid under the table either to avoid paying taxes, or DRUG DEALERS who obviously don't use anything other than cash/drug bartering, and prostitutes who obviously wouldn't admit to it as a job and thus would be labeled unemployed.

NC you have a hard time thinking outside the box don't you?

As someone said you need to back these claims up. This is just ranting, your avatar would be waving his fist at this point, and spouting propaganda. You chose him well.

I can't cure your stupidity unfortunately.

No but I think the onus is on you to cure your own.

I don't know if this matters, but I've spoken to homeless people who said they make more by begging on the street than by working a minimum wage job. This was in Berkeley and San Francisco, in California.

I don't know that it does, but I'm sure it's better to make money from a job than to sit around waiting for the milk of human kindness. Because if this thread is any indication, it's thin on the ground.

 

[philippe]

Actually, I dont see whats 'illegal' about his moms work. Maybe its an EU thing.

BS, Mobboss. you rally vs illegal immigrants in one thread and then you say it's better to do an job illegally then to not have one.

and then you claim to be moral in this issue.

 

[MobBoss]

I actually kinda agree with Mobby about "people who want a job can get a job" provided we exclude, say, people with serious disabilities. I mean, I was a jobless wonder for a year and a half, have no particular qualifications, and got a sweet full time job (w/ full benefits if I stick with it for >6 months) paying around $20-$25/hr on my first day of job hunting. If you make finding a job your job, you'll find a job.

Maybe its just because I'm a young white sexy male though who knows how to interview

It could be that.....or that there just are a lot of jobs to be had.

My oldest kid who just graduated high school last year has changed jobs about 4 times in the last year, each time looking for, finding and then taking a job that paid more. No college what-so-ever and right off the bat she is making 14 bucks an hour with full benefits.

If you really want to work, its there.

 

[MobBoss]

BS, Mobboss. you rally vs illegal immigrants in one thread and then you say it's better to do an job illegally then to not have one.

and then you claim to be moral in this issue.

Nope. I dont think the jobs that the illegals are doing are illegal. The jobs are most certainly valid and needed or else even the illegals wouldnt have jobs. They are valid jobs. The 'illegal' part of the picture is that they simply dont want to inprocess to this country in a legitimate way.

Please tell me that you understand its not their job or work ethic that makes them illegal, its their lack of citizen status that does.

I am all for migrants working in this country legally. I dont think valid attempts at citizenship or documentation is unreasonable.

 

[Ansar]

BS, Mobboss. you rally vs illegal immigrants in one thread and then you say it's better to do an job illegally then to not have one.

and then you claim to be moral in this issue.

Dude, those are two different subjects.

One is about people coming to this country illegally and another one is about getting a job. Don't talk crap to MobBoss if you can't understand the difference. /shrug

EDIT: Crosspost with MobBoss - thank you.

 

[Sidhe]

It could be that.....or that there just are a lot of jobs to be had.

My oldest kid who just graduated high school last year has changed jobs about 4 times in the last year, each time looking for, finding and then taking a job that paid more. No college what-so-ever and right off the bat she is making 14 bucks an hour with full benefits.

If you really want to work, its there.

I really,really, really^100000 want to work and it isn't. So how do you explain that? I'd rather put my head on a block and have someone pound my skull for four hundred hours with a wet haddock than not work, I'd give my right arm to be employed right now, hell I'd give my "wanking" hands hope that gets edited out but? If it doesn't apologies. I'm ambidextrous.

Sometimes it's not that easy. Sometimes it simply isn't! Wake up and smell the coffee not everyone is gifted with a perfect body and a perfect mind, I might have a mind that suffices but my body does not. Get over yourself and live in the real world, your conservative backwater mentality may play well in your own neck of the woods, but you have no idea about the whole world, well to be frank any world that isn't your own. Who do you think you are anyway to dictate your morality to anyone? And why do you bother? Aren't you reasonably assured by now that you are a loner in a world that is more than you can comprehend? I ask in all possible seriousness, because I just don't know any more, who the hell you think you are?

 

[MobBoss]

I really,really, really^100000 want to work and it isn't.

Uh...I thought you said earlier you could get a deskjob, but didnt like that kind of work. So, if you are turning down work you could do simply because of preference.....you really dont want to work. You want to work a job that you want to do....not one you would have to do.

So how do you explain that?

You are too friggin picky. The point is you are hardly the only person in your situation. I daresay, at only 5.4% employment, there are plenty of people with your exact same issues working. You just have to ask yourself why they are and you are not.

I'd rather put my head on a block and have someone pound my skull for four hundred hours with a wet haddock than not work, I'd give my right arm to be employed right now, hell I'd give my "wanking" hands hope that gets edited out but? If it doesn't apologies. I'm ambidextrous.

Then do office work.

Sometimes it's not that easy.

Actually, most of the time is most certainly is.

Sometimes it simply isn't! Wake up and smell the coffee not everyone is gifted with a perfect body and a perfect mind, I might have a mind that suffices but my body does not.

Since when does it take a perfect body and perfect mind to find a job? Please.

Get over yourself and live in the real world, your conservative backwater mentality may play well in your own neck of the woods, but you have no idea about the whole world, well to be frank any world that isn't your own.

Get over myself? Why dont you stop making lame excuses about not finding work. Get off the dole and do something with yourself. If you wanted to bad enough you could.

Who do you think you are anyway to dictate your morality to anyone?

I am Mobboss. That answer your question?

And why do you bother? Aren't you reasonably assured by now that you are a loner in a world that is more than you can comprehend? I ask in all possible seriousness, because I just don't know any more, who the hell you think you are?

I think I am a voice of sanity in an insane world.

 

[Chazumi]

I am Mobboss. That answer your question?

Sometimes it takes a harsh and unforgiving leader to put the masses of sheep beneath your feet in their place MobBoss.

 

[JollyRoger]

Who do you think you are anyway to dictate your morality to anyone?

Haven't you figured it out yet? He's the Stephen Colbert of CFC-OT.

Anyway, I like the fact that right wingers think that hard work is some sort of conservative trait. Makes it easy to manipulate them into such things as unpaid overtime. Anything to prove they aren't a lazy liberal.

 

[Sidhe]

Uh...I thought you said earlier you could get a deskjob, but didnt like that kind of work. So, if you are turning down work you could do simply because of preference.....you really dont want to work. You want to work a job that you want to do....not one you would have to do.



You are too friggin picky. The point is you are hardly the only person in your situation. I daresay, at only 5.4% employment, there are plenty of people with your exact same issues working. You just have to ask yourself why they are and you are not.

No that is what I'm applying for, obviously you haven't been reading what I wrote . Stop condemning the whole world based on what tiny insignificant you know about it is my advice, it makes you sound pompous. And I don't think people who make lousy generalisations do their credibility any good.

Then do office work.

Er? Mob Boss what the hell have you been reading?

Actually, most of the time is most certainly is.

yeah you know everything about everyone; who died and made you God? And why do you think such an outrageous statement is real? Because arrogant assumptions based on nothing are your forté or would you care to back them up, unlike Hitler, or whatever his name is. Or is this the derrigeur for the right wing, to sit in their ivory towers and dispense supposed wisdom to the masses, as if anyone actually thinks they have an authoritative opinion on anything?

Since when does it take a perfect body and perfect mind to find a job? Please.

Ok since you obviously appear to have a hard time reading what I've wrote let me walk you through it, I don't therefore it's harder to find a job, some people have much greater disadvantages though. Get it?

Get over myself? Why dont you stop making lame excuses about not finding work. Get off the dole and do something with yourself. If you wanted to bad enough you could.

Why don't you read what people write then you wouldn't end up making a fool of yourself so often? huh? I've only been unemployed 3 months? Not ten years? And I wasn't really referring to myself anyway, I have been referring to the work force as a whole throughout this thread. Who died and made you God?

I am Mobboss. That answer your question?

I'll hold my tongue there.

I think I am a voice of sanity in an insane world.

If there was a God I say most sincerely, thankfully you strike me as a singular individual, with a singular and blinkered view, who likes to voice such views only to be told he should not hold them because they are stupid by a majority of other people. Perhaps one day you'll notice a pattern?

Get an idea about the complex world outside of picketywhich nowhere I think. Stop projecting your insular little nowhere on to the whole world as if it it is viable to judge it by those terms, there are great differences to where you live and I'm sure Manchester/Moss side, Or Compton, New Orleans, or 5 Points, or the Ghettos of Johanesberg or wherever.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

My 24th Anniversay was yesterday.

Congratulations!

 

[scy12]

@MobBoss So apparently the problem is not working hard or efficiently or doing something that you like or that you believe you are better than it or anything but the issue is searching to find a job that pays money. and finding it. If you don't that means you have no searched for it ...

Is that what you have been saying ? (How communist of you ...)

 

[holy king]

what? people should do the work that is available and needed, not the work they'd like to do?
in the land of the free?

 

[Sidhe]

what? people should do the work that is available and needed, not the work they'd like to do?
in the land of the free?

I agree I'd be working at CERN in a perfect world, instead I resign myself to working in a crappy dead end office job, because that's all I can get, well and studying physics. No I wont end up working at CERN, but in a reasonably paid job I have some interest in would be peachy. Having spent my life doing nothing but low end jobs though, my expectations are necessarily set very low though, some people may well consider such jobs beneath them, the middle and upper classes for example, I don't and I was glad to get them.

Apparently though Mob Boss has got the impression that I'm picky. Since my resume contains, factory work,agency factory work, agency picking tomatoes, agency packaging cakes, agency stuffing envelopes etc, factory work, factory work, drivers mate, agency office work on a naval base (1 year contract) semi grunt work, glorified porter. I think he's obviously talking about someone else? This mystical person who lounges away his days, in a decadent palace, rousing only to get another beer, or cash his unemployment benefits, or find the remote so he can watch Trisha.

 

[Mise]

It's clear that MobBoss has absolutely no understanding of unemployment whatsoever, and makes no attempt at improving his understanding. There are some people on this forum that can speak with strength and conviction on subjects they are truly passionate about. MobBoss speaks with none of those things.

 

[RedRalph]

It's clear that MobBoss has absolutely no understanding of unemployment whatsoever, and makes no attempt at improving his understanding. There are some people on this forum that can speak with strength and conviction on subjects they are truly passionate about. MobBoss speaks with none of those things.

If he tries to see things from the unemployed's point of view, then al Qaeda wins

 

[RedRalph]

Hey MB you should attribute your sig to everyone on OT now, its clearly the prevalent opinion

 

[MobBoss]

It's clear that MobBoss has absolutely no understanding of unemployment whatsoever, and makes no attempt at improving his understanding.

You are right.. I dont...I have ALWAYS been able to find work.

There are some people on this forum that can speak with strength and conviction on subjects they are truly passionate about. MobBoss speaks with none of those things.

If you dont think I speak with strength and conviction you havent been listening very well. If I didnt I wouldnt get half the replies I do.

Hey MB you should attribute your sig to everyone on OT now, its clearly the prevalent opinion

Actualy, red, I get more complimentary PMs than you think. So, since you think so well of me I think I will keep it - I have already been complemented on it a few times so I like it.

 

[RedRalph]

You are right.. I dont...I have ALWAYS been able to find work.

what about those two weeks when you werent working?