Cloning is soooo CUTE!

[Greadius]

The problem with clonic organs is that, as far as I have read, you can't just grow a liver. You have to grow everything around the liver too, and everything that protects the liver, and before you know if you've got a potential human whose liver you're about to pull out.

I don't know if that makes it unethical, but the idea of growing pseudo-humans to pull their organs out is almost as disconcerting as the idea of people dying from 'curable' diseases.

 

[Zwelgje]

Originally posted by Greadius
The problem with clonic organs is that, as far as I have read, you can't just grow a liver. You have to grow everything around the liver too, and everything that protects the liver, and before you know if you've got a potential human whose liver you're about to pull out.

I don't know if that makes it unethical, but the idea of growing pseudo-humans to pull their organs out is almost as disconcerting as the idea of people dying from 'curable' diseases.

Those are my thoughts on the subject too. It seems that people nowadays are willing to do anything to just live longer and don't care about anything being not very ethical. People accept that being born is part of life but strangely enough don't accept that dieing is also a very important part of life (if you like it or not). That being said, it's very hard to accept you're gonna die at a very young age knowing something can be done about it.....

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by civ1-addict

Those are my thoughts on the subject too. It seems that people nowadays are willing to do anything to just live longer and don't care about anything being not very ethical. People accept that being born is part of life but strangely enough don't accept that dieing is also a very important part of life (if you like it or not). That being said, it's very hard to accept you're gonna die at a very young age knowing something can be done about it.....

Well gentlemen,

some of you may be happy to die in your own sad body fluids at a young age.
I, however have no intention of dying before I enjoy as much life as possible. Screw ethics and screw being a victim.

You can see if your bibles can prolong your life or end your suffering,
I haven't heard any evidence of ethics prolonging anyone's life...

Time will tell if the scientists have got it right or wrong with cloned organs.

If I'm given the chance to live longer with new organs,
well I'll pay for them, then live un-ethically longer!

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by eyrei
Why would anybody clone a cat? Aren't there already enough of the little ****s! I understand it is in the interest of advancing genetic research, but a CAT! Sorry, I guess I just don't like cats.

Cat's are useful for chasing rats & mices. And if you live next to forest,
there are lotssa rats around you.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Cat's are useful for chasing rats & mices. And if you live next to forest, there are lotssa rats around you.

My grandfather used to run a company that provided farmer's with food for animal's and storaged lot's of grain.Having several grain silo's near a small river infested with rat's ad mice ,some of the most valuabl employee's he had were his +40 wild cat's roaming the hangar's and silo's.My grandmother and the grandchildren (me ,my brother's and my cousin (living next door)) used to give the cat's milk and bread.Not that you would get lot's of love of them ,they were wild cat's aferall ,but it was sure cool to see the cat's while they where hunting ,and they do catched a lot of rat's ,although some rat's managed to severly wound a cat to ,as they were sometimes as big/bigger than the cat's themself's.
Always impressing to see 40 cat's waiting for their milk at the doorstep ,kinda like an army of cat's.

On topic: i'm not a big supporter of cloning ,as mankind doesnt know yet everything about the consequences of cloning ,and i'm surely against the experimental cloning of a human being.

 

[Blackadder]

The best news from animal cloning would be the scientists producing a cheap, easy way to clone a food animal to help the people in the world who die of hunger each and every day. Unfortunatly that day is way, way off, as I understand that cloning is not an 'easy' process. Plus, I doubt certain people won't be against it, due to lose of jobs, power etc. Everything has a price.

On the subject of human cloning, it depends on whether you look at a twin as a clone. Both twins can look alike, but do not necessary do the same things. There was a program on last year about cloning, but I've fogotten most of it...


Also those 'cats' dying in the shelters, aren't show-cats, so to speak. It is believed most people planning on cloned cats want clones of the cat that in its prime won so many awards. Not easy to get this from picking a random cat from a shelter ( So I'm told )

 

[IceBlaZe]

What is more unethical, reproducing a human to take his organ, reproducing a lot of humans to make an 'organs bank' or take an organ from a living human at his will?

btw, you all realize that ethicity (sp?) is subjective

 

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by IceBlaZe
btw, you all realize that ethicity (sp?) is subjective

Then why do Isrealis moan about Islamic Jihad if ethics are subjective? They should either just accept it and move on or kill each and every Palestinian man, woman, and child in the Occupied territories in order to solve the problem.

 

[duke o' york]

Could you not have chosen a slightly less contentious way to query IceBlaZe's idea DinoDoc? One that isn't going to lead to a flame war?
Of course ethics are subjective - they are self-imposed! That is why it may appear ethically right for one group to clone organs for transplant, and ethically wrong for another. The cloning itself is not ethically wrong or right - it's just the perception of it by the different sides.

 

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by duke o' york
Could you not have chosen a slightly less contentious way to query IceBlaZe's idea DinoDoc?

I wanted to get to the heart of his reasons for that assertion fairly quickly and that seemed like the best way to do it.

 

[Leowind]

Drifting off topic here, but it is NOT universally accepted that ethics are subjective. An issue like cloning is extremely complicated ethically, and will take many years to sort out. Indeed much of the ethics involved are very subjective, and will likely change over the decades to come. But some still accept the idea that there is a basic core of ethics that does not change. Murder is wrong, for instance. Having said that, I would strongly reccomend further discussion of the relativity of ethics be carried on in a different thread.

whay a cat? Better a cat than a human at this point, when there is still so much unkown about cloning. Cloning a cat is an experiment to learn more about the cloning process, not an attempt to create more cats. That may be the commercial goal of the researchers, in which case I have to agree with many others who have pointed out we have far too many cats already, why spend oodles of money making more. The rich snobs can surely survive without their fluffy-copy. The more different kinds of animals that are cloned, however, the more we will learn about the techniques and consequences of cloning.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

Why are people who'd like to clone their pets "rich snobs"? My cat little Jacque is purrfect in everyway and as long as treated well is genetically pre-disposed to being that purrfect cat. Why should I risk cats that are inpurrfect and end up with behavioural or health problems?

Indeed since my cats are neutered to stop an explosion in numbers they don't reproduce themselves...I'd like to see more of their kind but in numbers that we can look after.

 

[Blackadder]

The question is, would that cloned cat act the same way as the original?

A twin is a clone, yet they can act differently. So, theoretically, can a clone.

So, you would have to start from scratch, which to cat loving people wishing to recreate the younger years, is okay!
However, don't expect it to act exactly the same.

Is it the reassuring look of a familiar cat, or the beauty of a prizewinner that will drive people to clone cats?

 

[CurtSibling]

Who cares about cats?

Humans come first, then our furry un-evolved chums.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Blackadder
Is it the reassuring look of a familiar cat, or the beauty of a prizewinner that will drive people to clone cats?

Reassuring! Every time I look in a cats eyes, I get the distinct impression that, were the cat capable, it would love to eat me.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

But at present they settle with humans feeding them

 

[dannyevilcat]

Two things:

Who cares about cats?

Humans come first, then our furry un-evolved chums.

Sorry, but I disagree... at least to a certain extent. In theory my cat's life is as important as my own, or at least as much as yours . I don't believe in god, so all I'm left with is the impression that all life, natural or cloned, are equals in existence.

You might, however, agree with my other principal which states that all life is inherently greedy.

Reassuring! Every time I look in a cats eyes, I get the distinct impression that, were the cat capable, it would love to eat me.

the same thought has occured to me on many occasions. I enjoy the sentiment.