Complaint Sub-Forum

[Gorbles]

I think quite a few posters are getting too focused on the specific suggestion, instead of trying to understand the very reasonable frustration behind the OP.

Similar to how it's been pointed out that people critical of the game don't always get their point across correctly, but these criticisms can come from a place of valid frustration.

 

[protocol7]

Quick, we need a sub-sub-forum to file away complaints about how people are complaining about complaints!

 

[Gorbles]

Or we can go for pithy takes because we feel our opinions are being threatened by the mythical, 100% unlikely to happen because this thread isn't in Site Feedback, "complaints subforum".

I don't see how that's more constructive than a good faith attempt at understanding where the OP is coming from, but I guess others know better.

 

[protocol7]

If you feel that’s the best use of your time, who am I to stop you. But I thought this thread had nice empathy and understanding for the most part, and some nice ideas on how to make it better.

 

[Askia Muhammad]

Sometimes I wish we had a separate sub-forum for complaints. I get it. Lots of people don't like the game. It definitely needs some work, but I try to come in and see some interesting discussions on strategy or people talking about cools things that happened and all I see is complaints.

I think complaining is valid and useful, I just wish I could avoid it unless I wanted to see it.

There are plenty of those topics in this forum. It’s just that the complaint threads are more active… probably because the game is sitting at a 63% negative rating right now lol

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

It’s just that the complaint threads are more active

I find it sad that so many people think complaining about something over and over and over again is normal activity for a person. It's and unhealthy thing to do and unhealthy for people to read. I've mostly given up participating in CFC and only come back to update mods. My observation is lots of people have left and are now active elsewhere talking civ.

(Not a comment about you @Askia Muhammad , just my thoughts in general on about active threads)

 

[CliffCo]

I find it sad that so many people think complaining about something over and over and over again is normal activity for a person. It's and unhealthy thing to do and unhealthy for people to read. I've mostly given up participating in CFC and only come back to update mods. My observation is lots of people have left and are now active elsewhere talking civ.

(Not a comment about you @Askia Muhammad , just my thoughts in general on about active threads)

That's what i was mostly doing, but since i discovered civmods i do all my updates and downloads on that app, it still brings me back here though when i click on a new mod to see what it's all about. I just look in here daily to see if there's a conversation i'm interested in but that's about it.

 

[CliffCo]

I DO want to know what else there is to talk about.

If only there would be more information for the player presented how the game actually works instead of hiding it all away in game. Game lacking several concepts also make it more shallow compared to previous versions.
Best thing is to create new interesting topics here instead of blaming others for a lack of conversation.

The fandom wiki is the best source i've seen, it's often my go to as the civilopedia needs some serious work to make it better.

 

[Patine]

It might be nice though, to be able to ignore an entire thread forever if you want. Maybe they could add that feature, and people could decide for themselves which threads are overly-complaining.

IMHO it’s not so easy to mark entire threads as complaining for everyone because people often come share different viewpoints in them too, and all their comments would then be labeled complaining too.

You can just unwatch it, and you never get alerts there, again, unless someone tags or quotes you. Deleting all comments you made in that thread will likely complete the job.

 

[sav]

lol. I know that would upset a lot of people. Personally if people want to vent they should be able to, I’ve just become tired of seeing all the negativity towards a game I enjoy.

I enjoy the game too! But can't play it because of bugs the last patch introduced (I mean, game-breaking stuff that makes it impossible to play, not just minor things). In 30 years playing this game, I've never seen that happen before. Patches have in the past always improved the game, never broken it!

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

I mean, game-breaking stuff that makes it impossible to play, not just minor things

I think there is a uncrossable gulf between those who think the game is unplayable and people like myself who just think it needs improvement, like every civ game. There's not going to be much if any "discussion". Which gets us back to the OP's idea.

 

[aelf]

I find it sad that so many people think complaining about something over and over and over again is normal activity for a person. It's and unhealthy thing to do and unhealthy for people to read. I've mostly given up participating in CFC and only come back to update mods. My observation is lots of people have left and are now active elsewhere talking civ.

(Not a comment about you @Askia Muhammad , just my thoughts in general on about active threads)

Maybe it's just me, but I've noticed a recent shift in the Civ subreddit, where the frequent low-quality complaint posts are no longer getting positive traction as much and are getting more pushback. I wonder if Potato McWhiskey's video about his mental health and dealing with too much negativity from the community was the turning point. Maybe people are realising how out of hand and toxic things have become.

 

[protocol7]

I think it’s just people stopped posting in the civ subreddit. There’s 120 people in the entire world on the civ subreddit right now, and the top 5 posts today have an average of 17 replies and 391 upvotes. That’s the apathy the other poster was mentioning, where the tone turns positive because nobody else cares any more. I guess it will take a little longer here because CFC has people who have cared more about the game for longer, but eventually the same will happen (unless something fundamental changes).

 

[aelf]

I think that's a positive development for the forum.

 

[GeneralZift]

If you want to complain it should be high quality essay style, not YouTube comment section quality

 

[protocol7]

I, of sound mind and body, hereby declare that I personally find certain elements of the delivery version of Civilization 7 to be of incomplete quality.

Forthwith..

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

of sound mind and body,

Leaves me out

 

[sav]

I think there is a uncrossable gulf between those who think the game is unplayable and people like myself who just think it needs improvement, like every civ game. There's not going to be much if any "discussion". Which gets us back to the OP's idea.

It wasn't unplayable - I have a few hundreds hours in it! - but the invisible units bug introduced in the recent patch means it's impossible to conduct warfare, which is a significant part of the game at deity. Lots of us have reported this bug, here and on Reddit, but it doesn't look like there's a fix on the horizon. I have heard perhaps deleting some folders and letting the game recreate them might help? Not sure, since I already nuked the whole thing and redownloaded it, and the bug is still there.

 

[GeneralZift]

Guys it's not unplayable! I can literally get from start to finish!

 

[Xur]

There’s also inedible food, but that doesn’t mean you can’t literally eat it. Sometimes people just dont want to engage with criticism, so they search for loopholes or focus on unrelated things like semantics and start taking everything literally.

… or ask to hide the discussion somewhere.