Congratulations to CFC for getting us FREE DLC! (the mongols)

[Thormodr]

@Thormodr
Thanks Thormodr English is not my mother tongue and I think it's gonna take a while for me to figure out some of the forum features

No problem.

 

[Dudu42]

Now we are talking!

So what are the UAs, UUs and - possibly - UB?

Another horseman replacing UU for certain. And maybe even better than Greek CCs.
UB I dont know, maybe the mongolina yurt?

The UA is a difficulty one. Im pretty clueless, they were baddass conquerors.
Someone?

Edit: Duh. Now I noticed they already announced the UUs...

 

[Vordeo]

Speaking of horse rush, I don't think with this UA Mongol can even beat Songhai. Songhai can gain A LOT more money from barb camps and rush buy A LOT more horsemen, and soon outnumber any civs.

Depends on the map, as in some games barb camps are gone very quickly.

Also, I'm guessing Keshiks also get a bonus of some kind here, in addition to the UA.

The UA of Mongol is seriously useless IMO, +1movement may be nice but 30% against CS? I don't even wage war against CS

The UA should encourage you to though. I'm not sure the trade off if worth it, but hopefully they'll patch something to balance everything more?

 

[Morningcalm]

UUs are Keshik and Khan. No UB.

Interesting that the "Khan" is a unique unit--the problem is, how is it realistic to have multiple Khans around a map when you are, supposedly, the one Khan? XD

I imagine it's a Great General who can fight back or something. Maybe makes nearby mounted units faster too? Who knows. I kind of miss the Yurt, but I'll live.

UA does seem a bit useless. I suppose it's a nice way of stopping players going diplomacy a little easily.

 

[Vordeo]

Now we are talking!

So what are the UAs, UUs and - possibly - UB?

Another horseman replacing UU for certain. And maybe even better than Greek CCs.
UB I dont know, maybe the mongolina yurt?

The UA is a difficulty one. Im pretty clueless, they were baddass conquerors.
Someone?

They're posted in the OP (or at least in the link of the OP).

UA is a 30% combat bonus against city states and +1 movement for mounted.

UUs are Keshiks and apparently the Khan.

 

[dexters]

UUs are Keshik and Khan. No UB.

Interesting that the "Khan" is a unique unit--the problem is, how is it realistic to have multiple Khans around a map when you are, supposedly, the one Khan? XD

I imagine it's a Great General who can fight back or something. Maybe makes nearby mounted units faster too? Who knows. I kind of miss the Yurt, but I'll live.

UA does seem a bit useless. I suppose it's a nice way of stopping players going diplomacy a little easily.

There was more than one Khan.

It's a title of the Mongolian tribes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan

 

[Dudu42]

They look like the worst Alexander enemy (and also Siam).

But they look a bit weak to me, to be honest. Hope those Keshiks can poack some punch...

 

[Frasco]

Interesting that the "Khan" is a unique unit--the problem is, how is it realistic to have multiple Khans around a map when you are, supposedly, the one Khan? XD

Maybe the Khan is a unique Great General?

 

[Thormodr]

UUs are Keshik and Khan. No UB.

Interesting that the "Khan" is a unique unit--the problem is, how is it realistic to have multiple Khans around a map when you are, supposedly, the one Khan? XD

I imagine it's a Great General who can fight back or something. Maybe makes nearby mounted units faster too? Who knows. I kind of miss the Yurt, but I'll live.

UA does seem a bit useless. I suppose it's a nice way of stopping players going diplomacy a little easily.

The Mongols word for their dwellings is Ger actually. I think Yurt is a Turkish word.

The UA can be quite powerful. Early extra cities are good and city states usually have pretty good resources. At worst, you can beat the crap out of their units to level up your units without much fear of losing.

Just play on a map with lots of city states.

 

[Dudu42]

Or a UU with a % damage bonus.
THAT would be nice.

I mean, those UUs have to be nice, because the UA dont sound to much appealing to me...

The UA can be quite powerful. Early extra cities are good and city states usually have pretty good resources. At worst, you can beat the crap out of their units to level up your units without much fear of losing.

Still weak. I preffer their bonuses as allies than their space.
Makes easier to ally with hostile City States, I think...

 

[Zenstrive]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Mongols have no unique buildings?

 

[MadRat]

UUs are Keshik and Khan. No UB.

Interesting that the "Khan" is a unique unit--the problem is, how is it realistic to have multiple Khans around a map when you are, supposedly, the one Khan? XD

From what I gather Khan loosely means warchief or leader, king perhaps by western reconing. Jinghis Khan is a title - Great Khan, thus a khan unit really represents a local tribal leader and presumably his men while the Kheshik represents a tuman.

Rat

 

[Wuzetian]

so what exact does UU Khan do? I'm guessing it's a fast moving GG. Regular GGs can hardly keep up the pace once horsemem are unleashed on the plain.

 

[Scaramanga]

I had wondered how the problem of Mongol uniqueness would be solved. Giving them a unique building would have seemed odd since that is relegated to civs who displayed talent in domestic development, which is not what comes to mind for Mongolian gameplay. Two horse-units would have been redundant and made Mongolian offensive might span multiple ages which it surely did not in real life, so a GG replacement is quite clever I think.

 

[Dudu42]

But GG are rare.

Maybe if they have some bonuses to general sprawking, these could help theyr unique General...

 

[Morningcalm]

There was more than one Khan.

It's a title of the Mongolian tribes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan

Point taken, but I was referring to the screenshot where you have the Khan named "Genghis" and you are playing Genghis Khan. So what happens when the Khan dies? You don't lose the game, you just train a new "Khan". A bit unrealistic. To put this into perspective, imagine what would happen if you played as Alexander the Great and had an Alexander unit, that died. :S

 

[ddesart]

Maybe this is in another thread, but I also note in that post that Babylon will be available for only $5.

There was grousing before release that a civ wasn't worth $10, but might be worth $5. Sounds like 2k agrees.

Didn't the $10 include a soundtrack or something? I will download the Babylonians for sure.

 

[Pouakai]

I would imagine, seing as that screenshot was from the scenario, that the Khan isn't a UU, rather it is a unit from that scenario.

 

[Thormodr]

This Wikipedia article on Khan (title) says that you might be able to use the term khan for a military officer as well. The source is dubious though.

Other khans
[edit] Military ranks

The title "khan" was also used as a military officer rank in certain armies, especially following the decimal organisation (already known from Achaemenid Persia) of Genghis Khan's armies.[dubious – discuss]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_%28title%29

Here we see that Khaan (long "a") is different from Khan (short "a").

Post-Imperial Mongolia
[edit] Nobility titles

* Khaan (Khagan) - ruler of the country.
* Khan - by the mid-16th century, there would be a number of khans in Mongolia as local feudal lords claimed the title for themselves. Khaan and Khan were 2 different titles: Khaan (long "a") and Khan (short "a"). Khaan was the title of the ruler of the country, while the local feudal lords had the title Khan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_nobility

Therefore, using the title Khan for a great general is perfectly acceptable. They shouldn't have used Khan for Chinggis though. Chinggis (Genghis is likely of Persian origin) Khaan or Chinggis Khagan would have been better. It would clear up some of the confusion.

Genghis Khan (pronounced /ˈdʒɛŋɡɪs ˈkɑːn/ or /ˈɡɛŋɡɪs ˈkɑːn/[2]; Mongolian: Чингис Хаан or ᠴᠢᠩᠭᠢᠰ ᠬᠠᠭᠠᠨ, Chinggis Khaan, or Činggis Qaγan), IPA: [tʃiŋɡɪs xaːŋ]( listen); probably[3] 1162–1227), born B. Temüjin (About this sound pronunciation (help·info), was the founder, Khan (ruler) and Khagan (emperor) of the Mongol Empire, which became the largest contiguous empire in history after his death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan

 

[Thormodr]

I would imagine, seing as that screenshot was from the scenario, that the Khan isn't a UU, rather it is a unit from that scenario.

You can see in the screen shot that Khan is one of the UUs. Little hard to read though.