Constitutional future of Britain

[Lefty Scaevola]

Given your FAILURE to set a limited time frame, it is almost inevitable that the the monarcy will be eliminated. With ulimited time avilable, only the premature exticntion of the human race in the British Ilses would prevent it.

 

[knowltok3]

Agreed that the cost is way too much. On a side note, does the government have anything to do with some of the other aspects of the royal family? I am thinking of knighting people, but there are probably others.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
Given your FAILURE to set a limited time frame, it is almost inevitable that the the monarcy will be eliminated.

I assumed people would use their brain and add 'In the forseeable future' to the question. Obviously that assumption was flawed, at least with regards to you, if nobody else.

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
With ulimited time avilable, only the premature exticntion of the human race in the British Ilses would prevent it.

Actually, the extinction of the human race from The British isles would result in neither of the two optional occurances, hence your point is decidedly moot. Also, you spelling is terrible - are you drunk or something?

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by knowltok3
Agreed that the cost is way too much. On a side note, does the government have anything to do with some of the other aspects of the royal family? I am thinking of knighting people, but there are probably others.

I believe the government advises the monarch on who should be given honours, etc, yes.

The Government advises the palace on a lot of matters, really, particularly press statements and the like, and matters of modernisation.

 

[Blackadder]

Originally posted by Hamlet

So you resent him trying to bring stability to Asia or something?

A prime-ministers duty is to run THIS country, the one he was elected to, not shoot off on diplomatic missions all the time. Send ambassodors or even the foreign minister. Although Britain is an important trading partner, are you suggesting that Tony Blair is critical to Peace throughout the Middle East? I don't resent the PM attempting to bring stability to Asia, just wondering if he has such 'power' over them. I simply thing he should be in the country that elected him.

Originally posted by Hamlet

I doubt it would make any difference whether Blair is sitting at Westminster all the time or no. Unless you want to do possibly the most tiring job in The UK? Thought not.[/B]

Someones got to do it or else the position is unneccessary.

Originally posted by Hamlet
Will it? As far as I remember, the majority of people were apathetical about it.

Until this point is brought to a reforendum in this country, a poll or even a referendum in another country (like Australia of retaining the Queen as figure-head) cannot be trusted as what most people will vote for. A poll is a selection of random people from a selected area (usually) and then multiplied upwards to give them an overall percentage.

Originally posted by Hamlet

A far lot less than 80 Million, I'd wager. The PM isn't even payed a quarter of a million each year. You work it out. One person doing a good job Vs A load of money grabbers.

I'm not suggesting replacing the P.M., just curious about how much money we would potentially save.
The royalty, moneygrubbers? Say it ain't so .

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Does anyone give a damn about Spain, except holiday goers?

In fact, english do not have any more remedy that go of vacations to Spain, you do not support to live the whole year in yours stinking country. .

if you dont give a damn, why did you enter this in first place?

It entertains me to bother english, Jew.

 

[Sixchan]

In fact, english do not have any more remedy that go of vacations to Spain, you do not support to live the whole year in yours stinking country. .

Sorry, but Curt's not English. Too bad, try again.

It entertains me to bother english, Jew.

Oh, so now you're bringing Judaism into it? Nazi.

*****

Anyway, back on-topic, I believe a Republic would be better, but I don't see it coming anytime soon.

 

[knowltok3]

It entertains me to bother english, Jew.

It entertains me to see what you can do to give Spanish people a bad name. Don't worry, I won't judge all Spaniards based upon you.

 

[Cylore]

Originally posted by CurtSibling


Haw Haw!

The UK Monarchy is merely a fugurehead,
and a rather outmoded and expensive one too.

Power here lies with the parliaments in England and Scotland.

I find your above comment amusing, It's like saying:
"Is there still old men in wigs running America?"

No offence but;
Please learn about the world!

Actually, the old white men running America don't POWDER their wigs anymore, but...

I AM learning about the world, why do you think I asked the question?

What YOU need to learn is to not talk down to people because they don't know the inner workings of a foreign gov't. I suppose you know it all though, right?

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Oh, so now you're bringing Judaism into it? Nazi

Why? you make "Jew" looks like a dirty word. it does not bother me that they call me "Spanish".

It entertains me to see what you can do to give Spanish people a bad name. Don't worry, I won't judge all Spaniards based upon you.

Thank you, I remain calmer.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Blackadder
A prime-ministers duty is to run THIS country, the one he was elected to, not shoot off on diplomatic missions all the time. Send ambassodors or even the foreign minister. Although Britain is an important trading partner, are you suggesting that Tony Blair is critical to Peace throughout the Middle East? I don't resent the PM attempting to bring stability to Asia, just wondering if he has such 'power' over them. I simply thing he should be in the country that elected him.

This would be fine would it not be for the obvious fact that nobody would give a damn if we sent Straw to Afghanistan or India or Pakistan. Blair is both well known, and can command the respect to properely advise the two parties, and also bring legitimacy to The New Afghanistani government.

Originally posted by Blackadder
Someones got to do it or else the position is unneccessary.

Absolutely.

Originally posted by Blackadder
Until this point is brought to a reforendum in this country, a poll or even a referendum in another country (like Australia of retaining the Queen as figure-head) cannot be trusted as what most people will vote for.

Their was a referendum in Australia recently, however the people voted against it, despite your good friends the opinion polls suggesting that some 75% of people were in favour of ditching the monarchy. Mr Howard fiddled the question somewhat, and also made the other choice to retention the indirect election of The President by the national parliament. Unsurprisingly, most people voted against a republic.

My bets are on another referndum coming about sometime in the near future and it actually succeeding.

Also, many commonwealth countries have, or are in the process of ditching The Queen as the head of state.

Originally posted by Blackadder
A poll is a selection of random people from a selected area (usually)

I can't imagine any half-decent polling agency doing that, as it would produde a diliberately distorted picture. Opinion polls aren't some crappy door to door job nowadays, you know, there are professional polling agaencies with reliable methods.

Originally posted by Blackadder
I'm not suggesting replacing the P.M., just curious about how much money we would potentially save.

A bit, hopefully.

 

[Sixchan]

But you ARE spanish, right?

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Thorgalaeg


In fact, english do not have any more remedy that go of vacations to Spain, you do not support to live the whole year in yours stinking country. .



It entertains me to bother english, Jew.

Ah!

I see Franco is alive and well.

Anyhow, Thorga, Your blantant reply is unacceptable.
How dare you take that tone to IceBlaZe...

Please go and learn some manners...
And some proper grammar...

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Cylore


Actually, the old white men running America don't POWDER their wigs anymore, but...

I AM learning about the world, why do you think I asked the question?

What YOU need to learn is to not talk down to people because they don't know the inner workings of a foreign gov't. I suppose you know it all though, right?

I know a great many things, but not everything (yet!)

Excuse my sardonic tone, Cylore,

We dont really take much notice of the English monarchy up here
in Scotland.
But I do love to visit England. When in London, the pomp and history of the royals is good for the tourists, but the benefits end there. They are an arachronism...

The Parliament is a bit like your Congress (I'm assuming you are from the US).

MPs are from all of the UK's areas and vote or veto laws and such,
based on the differing needs of their own area...

The main party is the left-wing Labour party headed by Tony Blair in England, who happens to be the Prime Minister of the UK.

Here in Scotland, we also have a seperate Parliament which works
in the same way as Englands...with MSPs calling the shots...

Both Parliaments are as corrupt as the Congress and Senate in the USA, the one thing they have in common!

I'm no political expert, but that's it from a layman's point of view...


PS
Welcome to the forums!

 

[TR_Emrys]

To my knowledge Britain has no written constitution. Not true?
I do know that the every menber of the British military swears
allegience to the Crown. Not to parliment or the prime minister.
If parliment tried to abolish the monarchy, how serios would the British military take thier oaths if the Queen/King issued orders
dismissing parliment and assumed direct rule again?
Since parliment passed laws banning all private ownership of firearms in Britain, did they cut thier own throats in the unlikey event of this happening?

 

[amadeus]

I think we've all seen how great that the monarch has worked out in countries like England, now haven't we?

Please...

The idea of a monarchy is completely ridiculous: someone sleeps with someone else, suprise! He's the new leader!

Ah, Prince of this, Queen of that, blah!

Go back to the Knights of the Round Table...

Christ...

 

[PinkyGen]

Originally posted by Thorgalaeg


Why? you make "Jew" looks like a dirty word. it does not bother me that they call me "Spanish".

I believe the counter-part to Spanish would be Israeli, not Jew. This would be like me addressing you as Christian, or taking my incomplete history of Spain into accountount, Catholic.

 

[IceBlaZe]

It does not surprise me that Thorgalaeg decided to reply this way.
It is just like a little kid losing in an arguement and starts insulting for no reason - but here Theorgalaeg thinks he is more sophisticated and cool by using racist remarks.
I dont really care anyway, people like Thorgalaeg make me laugh.
Thorgalaeg - You represent just what the unwise would do when run out of words.
have a nice life, lol

 

[andycapp]

If there is no groundswell of support for a republic in Britain then it will take a complete cock-up by one of the royals to act as a catalyst - a future King Charles is quite capable of achieving this.

Hamlet, you're spot-on about the situation in Australia, eventually another referendum will be held and the monarchy will disappear as Australia's head of state - many of us are hoping this will be very soon.

Btw Hamlet, if you want to encourage people to debate your threads I suggest you stop abusing people that say things you don't like - your comments to Lefty's post were rude and unnecessary.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by TR_Emrys
If parliment tried to abolish the monarchy, how serios would the British military take thier oaths if the Queen/King issued orders
dismissing parliment and assumed direct rule again?
Since parliment passed laws banning all private ownership of firearms in Britain, did they cut thier own throats in the unlikey event of this happening?

I doubt many members of the military would actually go along with a coup such as that - they aren't nutters.

Not that any such regime would last two minutes - We'd have the entire Western world's armed forces and their aunty coming in to topple it as soon as it emerged.

Also, only handguns are banned. Not all firearms. Not that I could imagine a pop gun would do much good in the face of Fighter jets and tanks anyway.