Consultation on Catalan independence

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So here we are.

After all these years of massive demonstrations and an ever increasing support for independence in Catalonia, tomorrow at 10:00 AM (local hour) as announced, President Mas will finally sign and publish the decree for the consultation on Catalan independence.

The Spanish government has already announced that as soon as it gets published, they will call for an Extraordinary Council of Ministers next Monday in order to block it given the fact that Rajoy, the Spanish president, is still in an official visit in Beijing and the meeting cannot, therefore, take place earlier.

All actors have already taken their positions and tomorrow at 10 o'clock this political chess game will begin. Now the athmosphere here in Catalonia is that of a tense and intense waiting.
 
So, it's already tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. What happened with the consutlation?
 
So, it's already tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. What happened with the consutlation?

The decree calling for the consultation on Catalan independence was signed by President Mas.



Soon there afet the Spanish government announced that they'd present a petition of suspension of it to the Constitutional Court. It is expected to be suspended by the CC either tomorrow Monday or perhaps Tuesday.

To put it short, for the time being it's all a turn-based political strategy game. Everyone is trying to make the best moves in order to get the better positions to attack /defend later but since it's very first moves of the game, it's not very interesting to watch unless you're one of the parts.

BTW, could any mod please edit the title. I didn't notice the typo until it was too late.
 
The decree mentions that it is fundamented on three articles from either the Constitution or articles of the current Statute of Autonomy which were deemed constitutional, giving powers to regional governments to consult their people and bring forth to the central government an iniciative to respond accordingly.
 
Neither can Poland. The Entente had to win WWI so Poland could into its own space.
 
There we go, as expected.

Spain’s Constitutional Court Suspends Catalan Referendum Law As Mas Presents Secession Plan

As the court met to order the suspension of the Catalan referendum law and decree, Artur Mas presented a 1,300-page white paper on independence.



At 7 p.m. in Madrid, an urgent extraordinary plenary session of Spain’s Constitutional Court began, in order to deal with the Spanish government’s request to appeal and suspend the new Catalan referendum law and First Minister Artur Mas’s decree.

At 7 p.m. in Barcelona, he was presenting a 1,300-page white paper compendium on the “national transition” towards an independent state.

Mr. Mas said the 14 members of the Catalan National Transition Council had been working hard and “meeting regularly for the past 15 months”, adding that: “the details of the November 9 vote have been perfectly planned, perfectly prepared”.

The formal legal request from the Spanish government, following an equally extraordinary cabinet meeting this morning, urged Spain’s Constitutional Court to strike down the Catalan parliament’s referendum law for daring to award itself the power to organise referendums that only the Spanish state may authorise, and to strike down Mr. Mas’s decree in its entirety for “attacking the attribution of national sovereignty”, which resides with the Spanish people.

“The best way to solve this problem”, said Mr. Mas: “is by making what is necessary possible. And that means voting”.

He said he was astonished at the celerity with which the court had decided to act: “The Spanish Constitutional Court has decided to meet at supersonic speed. I haven’t seen anything like it in 35 years”.

He also questioned the legitimacy of the court and the separation of powers in Spain: “It’s illegal. Who says so? The government. What happened to Montesquieu?”.

“They are frightened of the answer and they should rather fear a non response, which would mean a weakening of democracy and a loss for the rule of law.”

Radio station Cadena Ser reported at 7:55 p.m. that Spain’s Constitutional Court had admitted the Spanish government’s appeal for deliberation and ordered the immediate provisional suspension of the Catalan referendum law and decree.

The suspension could last up to five months as the Court deliberates well beyond the November 9 date set by the Catalan government for the independence vote.

The only item on the order of the day during the extraordinary session was the Catalan challenge.

Crucially, the decision affects not only the Catalan government but also all those town halls or civil groups who might act to promote or organise the November 9 vote.

Source: http://www.thespainreport.com/category/news/
 
The Entente had to win WWI so Poland could into its own space.

Actually Russia in 1914 controlled the largest part of Poland and it was part of the Entente.

So it was even more complicated - Russia had to lose WW1 but the rest of the Entente had to win.

Later Nazi Germany had to start a suicidal world war so we could restore our Early Medieval borders.
 
So, what about going ahead with the preparations and then signing a new, slightly altered decree on November 8?
 
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To put it short, for the time being it's all a turn-based political strategy game. Everyone is trying to make the best moves in order to get the better positions to attack /defend later but since it's very first moves of the game, it's not very interesting to watch unless you're one of the parts.
There we go, as expected.

So, in this chess match before a possible vote on independence, who has the better position from a public relations standpoint?
 
The Catalans, as all underdogs and 'oppressed peoples' do. I personally sympathise with the independentist cause, to a degree.
 
So, in this chess match before a possible vote on independence, who has the better position from a public relations standpoint?

What do you mean by public relations?
 
I'm flattered. :hatsoff:
 
What do you mean by public relations?

In the first post I quoted, you said that each side is moving to stake out particularly favorable positions for negotiation later on. Now that these first moves have started to play out, what is your assessment of how the Spanish/Catalan people are viewing them? Does the Spanish government or do the Catalan separatists have a better position now from a polling/popular opinion perspective?
 
In the first post I quoted, you said that each side is moving to stake out particularly favorable positions for negotiation later on. Now that these first moves have started to play out, what is your assessment of how the Spanish/Catalan people are viewing them? Does the Spanish government or do the Catalan separatists have a better position now from a polling/popular opinion perspective?


Catalan separatist have a better position by far right now.
The Constitutional Court suspended yesterday the referendum law, this leads catalan society to be more close to separatist ideas because this suspension contributes to their feeling that central goverment opressed catalan people.
On the other hand in Spain there is a incresing feeling that Catalan secessionism is peaceful and democratic, so the consultation should be allowed.
It may be because the central goverment's popularity is under minimum but there is a general feelling that they are not managing the issue properly, definetively they are losing the battle of public opinion.

Finally, consider that I am a basque separatist, my opinion probably is biased.
 
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