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Venezuela to adopt forced farm labor for citizens
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classical_hero
In whom I trust
Two posters attack luiz for posting facts about a leftist, what a surprise. 
I'll step back a little bit: I do know you have a reasonably nuanced understanding of politics across the political spectrum. You've earned your own thing.
The problem is that you seem to jump with relative ease from "[Leftist A] supports [dictator B]" to "[Leftist A] would support [dictator B]-like policies in his home country," which is usually not the case. Democratic leftists do often support authoritarian leftists, and I agree that's a strike against them, morally at least. It doesn't necessarily make anything else they are advocating invalid, though, nor does it mean that they would pursue similar policies if they were to gain power unless they explicitly say so.
Well yeah, I know Corbyn and Iglesias and co. wouldn't become dictators if they were ever elected (which they won't). Where I disagree with a lot of people is in these two points:
1 - I hold them accountable for their support of leftist dictators, and all the more accountable when they're enthusiastic about it;
2 - I take them at their word on their policy proposals and worldviews. Note that most left-leaning people also said, years back, that Chávez was just a social-democrat with colorful rhetoric, and we shouldn't make much of his enormous admiration for Fidel Castro. So while I don't think Corbyn or Iglesias would become dictators, I do take them at their word for their economic views, and thus fear they would cause economic ruination should they reach power (which they never will).
Tahuti
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Well, to be fair, the mess seemed to have intensified after Maduro's rise.
Capitalism and central planning aren't exactly mutually exclusive, despite what we are led to believe.
5) BONUS: Venezuela attacks and occupies the Netherlands Antilles to distract from domestic unrest!
Canned feijoada (bean and pork stew)
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
I dont think there is a civil war because everyone wants to avoid this if possible. The three main groups are all equally divided with no one able to enact a quick government change. You have the Chavist now armed, the Military and the collection of the opposition. No one wants to trigger the a civil war and all know that they will not be able to rectify the situation probably why there hasnt been massive civilian push to overthrow the government
venezuela should seek advice for economist and fix there economy instead of continuing this slow destintigation and collapse.
2/3rd of Venezuela fertile farm land are unused because price controls made farming unprofitable, instead people got jobs lining up to buy subsidiesed good to resell to make money. Until this is fixed any humanitarian aid is just a short term solution.
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
People are hungry but no one has starved to death.
However venezuela has run out of foreign cash, gold and Oil production is at a 12 year low. It had huge debts and is about to default not even China is willing to loan more monies.
What do you think is about to happen ?
Not sure many here would consider that a bad thing, too.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Potatoes give you almost everything you need. Supplement it with a little bit of meat and green veg, you'll survive indefinitely. Won't be winning any Olympic medals or beauty contests, sure, but that's presumably not a big concern.
Well, Ulstermen...
True, but my guess is they will fight to get out first. About 150,000 Venezuelans are already crossing daily to Colombia to buy food, and a few hundreds are not returning each day. If the Armed Forced block the constitutional path to get rid of Maduro, things could get out of control really quick.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
That would mean acknowledging the existence of such an entity as an independent Irish state, which might be a step too far for the Loyal Institution.
How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irishman?
Spoiler :
Aleksey_aka_al
Smiley
"Gulag" is penal labour. The same you have in democracy #1. Educate yourself.
plarq
Crazy forever
United States with the highest incarceration rate in developed countries, and it is about 0.76%. Soviet Union in the Great Purge era, on the other hand... (consider all remote settlements in the arctic regions and other poor area are de facto gulags)
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
Poor soviet. If not being starved to death, deported to Siberia, or dying in the Gulags or getting a bullet to back of head or disappearing
The death rate was pretty staggering.
orangemen: they're always an exception to the rule
