Sorry about that Wobbegong... you were right that I got consumed with real life I know I had tried to get the files from you, but I don't I ever actually succeeded, since you were on 56k and the files kept getting bounced. If someone can send me the original iso, or the entire zipped civ2 folder, I promise i'll take a shot at it. If anyone is willing to try to send me the files, they can email it to my gmail address (below) or upload it to my ftp site (ftp.strafenet.com, anonymous upload should be enabled). The nocd version of the executable will possibly require a different patch than the other executable, so I might as well just patch the nocd version, so that it becomes the no-cd-no-limits-no-fans patched executable I'm somewhat busy with school/thesis/job, but I could probably write a patch this weekend if someone can get me the files. Again, sorry for never responding to you Wobbegong.