Craig Said to Consider Not Resigning

The legality of this doesn't matter, the morality of this doesn't matter. What's important is that a Senator from a super conservative state who used family values as an issue is actually gay and was soliciting sex from strangers in an airport.

Again...what is your proof that he is actually gay? That he tapped his toe in a bathroom?

I dunno...sounds kinda iffy to be honest.

Now if you had photos and DNA samples...I would say thats solid proof.

But toe tapping?
 
As soon as he emphatically said "I AM NOT GAY" for the 10th straight time... at that point I said to myself, "clearly this man is not gay." ;)

Well, lets face it, its kind of hard to appreciate the entire world calling you gay when you arent. How would you react? Different maybe; but I think its a fairly human reaction to deny it if indeed you are not what they allege.
 
Again...what is your proof that he is actually gay? That he tapped his toe in a bathroom?

What a strange lack of respect you have for police officers:lol: . It was not just toe tapping as your typically misleading argument suggests. It was a series of behaviors over a period of several minutes that are well known by the police and gay guys to indicate a solicitation for sex.
 
What a strange lack of respect you have for police officers:lol: . It was not just toe tapping as your typically misleading argument suggests. It was a series of behaviors over a period of several minutes that are well known by the police and gay guys to indicate a solicitation for sex.

Actually, I think his inability to understand this is evidence of his steadfastness as a STRAIGHT MALE. Only a totally straight-arrow male would not understand this.

Wait... what am I saying about you and me?

/taps toe 3 times, then waves hand

i kiid, i kiid :)
 
What a strange lack of respect you have for police officers:lol: .

Has nothing to do with it. By the way, never in the history of law enforcement has a police officer mistook someones behavior as criminal, right?

It was not just toe tapping as your typically misleading argument suggests. It was a series of behaviors over a period of several minutes that are well known by the police and gay guys to indicate a solicitation for sex.

But soliciting sex isnt what he pled guilty to. If that evidence was 'so solid' as you say then why not convict him on that charge instead of allowing him to pled to a lesser charge?
 
Well, lets face it, its kind of hard to appreciate the entire world calling you gay when you arent.

Even harder if you are actually ARE TEH GAY. :)

I know, I know, I'm just having fun with you IN A TOTALLY NON-GAY WAY.

/looks around for cops, exhales gratefully

More seriously though, you never heard of Craig? I'm not saying he's top-tier Arlen Specter/Ted Kennedy Grade A prime, but he's been around a while.

Honestly, I think the Repubs and Craig defenders are getting more wound up over this than a lot of those on the other side. For instance, I never felt he should resign. I find it totally hilarious that he's acting like he's going to "fight" something that he plead guilty to. This just blows me away. He had time, he thought about it. He very carefully weighed his options and made a calculated gamble: that pleading guilty to a lesser crime would allow this to fly below the radar. His gamble failed and now he's acting like some kind of martyr. He has no one but himself to blame.
 
Wait... what am I saying about you and me?


I am not and never have been gay.

I did not have sex with that man, Mr. Lewinski.

I have a wide stance.

I was afraid of the black man so I offered him a BJ.

It was just a massage. Now I am cured.

Do you like top or bottom? oops
 
I think Craig should stay and run for re-election. The GOP should support this persecuted man by not running anyone against him in the primary. Other than the police report and guilty plea, there is no evidence that he did anything wrong.
 
But soliciting sex isnt what he pled guilty to. If that evidence was 'so solid' as you say then why not convict him on that charge instead of allowing him to pled to a lesser charge?

To save time and tax payer $$ as is done 1000s of times a day across the country, as you well know.
 
Even harder if you are actually ARE TEH GAY. :)

I know, I know, I'm just having fun with you IN A TOTALLY NON-GAY WAY.

/looks around for cops, exhales gratefully

More seriously though, you never heard of Craig? I'm not saying he's top-tier Arlen Specter/Ted Kennedy Grade A prime, but he's been around a while.

Honestly, I think the Repubs and Craig defenders are getting more wound up over this than a lot of those on the other side. For instance, I never felt he should resign. I find it totally hilarious that he's acting like he's going to "fight" something that he plead guilty to. This just blows me away. He had time, he thought about it. He very carefully weighed his options and made a calculated gamble: that pleading guilty to a lesser crime would allow this to fly below the radar. His gamble failed and now he's acting like some kind of martyr. He has no one but himself to blame.

I totally agree shane. He was dumbass level 11 on a scale of 1-10 in how he handled it and continues to handle it. And no, I never saw him on the news, speaking or otherwise before this incident, so thats why I dont see him as 'prominent'.
 
Again...what is your proof that he is actually gay? That he tapped his toe in a bathroom?

I dunno...sounds kinda iffy to be honest.

Now if you had photos and DNA samples...I would say thats solid proof.

But toe tapping?

Because toe tapping was all he did, right?

Come on, do you really it is just a big misunderstanding? Do you really think it would be beneficial to the Republicans to have a long fight in the Ethics Committee? The evidence are against him.
 
To save time and tax payer $$ as is done 1000s of times a day across the country, as you well know.

Wrong on both counts. He was probably allowed to plead since the original charge wasnt as strong as the prosecutor would have liked. If they had an open and shut case at that charges specification, they sure as hell wouldnt have allowed him to plead to a lesser charge just to be more efficient.
 
Because toe tapping was all he did, right?

Come on, do you really it is just a big misunderstanding? Do you really think it would be beneficial to the Republicans to have a long fight in the Ethics Committee? The evidence are against him.

The evidence has been 'against' a rather large number of congressment still serving in office. Are you saying Craig should be held to a different standard than say Barney Frank? And if so, then why?
 
The evidence has been 'against' a rather large number of congressment still serving in office. Are you saying Craig should be held to a different standard than say Barney Frank? And if so, then why?
Has Barney Frank plead guilty to anything?
 
I totally agree shane. He was dumbass level 11 on a scale of 1-10 in how he handled it and continues to handle it. And no, I never saw him on the news, speaking or otherwise before this incident, so thats why I dont see him as 'prominent'.

I guess I consider any Senator to be prominent due to the powerful nature of that office. And, of course, the longer their stay, etc... the more prominent they become.
 
I guess I consider any Senator to be prominent due to the powerful nature of that office. And, of course, the longer their stay, etc... the more prominent they become.

And the more incoherent...as is the case with Senator Byrd.
 
And the more incoherent...as is the case with Senator Byrd.

Generally speaking I'm against strict term limits, but I could see term limits along the lines of, say, 4 terms for senators. You end up w/ people who are themselves institutions, ala Byrd, Thurmond before him, etc.....
 
Can you think of some other conceivable explanation for what he did?

That the police officer instigated the whole thing through his actions, annoying Craig to the point that he started to reciprocate. Craig probably figured he was being charged with causing a disturbance, not soliciting sex, which is why he pleaded guilty.
 
I'm pretty sure the public expectation of public officals demands them to not be man-whores. - Bill3000

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By appearing on the AP wire, it got reported on all the major networks and in all the major newspapers. - JollyRoger

And how was it portrayed? It was a whoa is me defense of McGreevy. It was nothing but talking pundits coming out and defending him, and how hard it must have been for him to admit that he was gay, and oh my gosh, look, his wife is standing right at his side. What a show of solidarity. *swoon*

Interesting in the differences that Rush has taken on the Craig story than the McGreevy story now that you mention it. - JollyRoger

Not even a fair comparison. Rush was against McGreevy because of the curroption aspect concerning his boy toy. Rush's beef with Craig is that he's being purged for hypocricy. Rush's beef with Craig is that Democrats have demanded his resignation while they have stood behind William Jefferson who COMMITTED A CRIME related to his job. Rush is angry about Republicans purging Jefferson.

Have you ever attempted to pick up a sex partner in a public restroom? Have you ever known anybody arrested for hitting on someone in a bar? Have you ever plead guilty to disorderly conduct? Do you hold a job as high profile as U.S. Senator? Answers to those questions may explain why you have never been involved in a sex scandal and Senator Craig is. - JollyRoger

What's the difference in me hitting on a chick in a bar, or a library? What's the difference if a gay guy hits on guys in the bar, or does it in the bar's bathroom? I flirt and hit on girls all the time when I travel in the airport. Holy crap. Call the cops. What a crime. Doesn't what happened to Craig bother you, as a good liberal, as targeting and discriminating against homosexuals in general? If you are going to base his purging on "well he's a senator and important," then how in the hell do you get by defending what Clinton did? I mean, he actually had sex. He actually blew his load all over Monica's chest. He was accused of RAPING women. He actually committed perjury on the stand concerning his sex scandal. And the difference? Craig did his wrong in an airport, while he wasn't on the job, in something that was completely unrelated to his work. Clinton did it in the oval office, while working mind you.

What's important is that a Senator from a super conservative state who used family values as an issue is actually gay and was soliciting sex from strangers in an airport. - Eli

Did this effect his votes? Did this keep him from representing his constituents? Oh...okay...so what's the issue? If it was a personal issue for Clinton, it most CERTAINLY is a personal issue for Craig considering it had NOTHING to do with his work.

Good lord, this statement is full of crap.

I very much remember reading about this on CNN. Lowandbehold... I found this old CNN article in my first search. The CNN was the 2nd hit, right after the wiki article. As you can see, rather easily, from the link I gave, they covered it pretty extensively. - Shane

HAHAHAHA! Did you actually read it? There's nothing in the article about how he was appointing his boy to a security position that he wasn't qualified for, there are supportive comments from gay rights lobbyists before it even touches any of the scandals he went through. Gimme a break man.

If this is what you call scathing criticism (like what Craig is facing now) then you are off your rocker. Read an article on Craig, then read that tripe about McGreevy that doesn't even get to the point and tell me it's equal.
 
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