Creation Museum Marries Adam, Eve and Dinosaurs

[Yuri2356]

And I'm sure many Creationists would say teaching evolution is nothing short of child abuse. (If it truly caused abortion and pornography addiction, why not?) Do you really want the government telling people "No, you can't teach your children this religious belief"? You really want the government deciding which religious beliefs are valid, and which aren't? If so, then you have no grounds to complain when the other side strikes back, and atheists are oppressed here or elsewhere.

Separation of Church and State cuts both ways.

And science is a church... how?

 

[Elrohir]

And science is a church... how?

I didn't say science was a church. I said the government shouldn't be regulating religion - which it would be, if it declared teaching creationism to be child abuse.

 

[brennan]

So the right to worship over-rides child abuse huh?

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Sure it does, if "child abuse" is defined as "telling your children something that you believe to be correct but that is in fact incorrect", but that isn't a very good definition . . .

(In other words, no the right to worship isn't greater than the right to be protected from abuse, but this is by no means abuse. For those of you keeping score at home.)

 

[CanseiDeSerSexy]

i can say pi is now a nice even 3, but that doesn't mean it should be taught as mathematics, due to separation of church and state.

although evolution is inferred and much more debatable than the value of pi, science is just the modelling of observable phenomena. it seems wrong to me, to teach people a theory which is pretty ridiculously unlikely in some forms. as science.

 

[brennan]

Au contraire: I think denying your children a proper education because of your benighted beliefs should certainly count as child abuse.

 

[Elrohir]

So the right to worship over-rides child abuse huh?

Only if you define child abuse in ridiculous terms. (As Eran just pointed out) You can't severely beat or kill your child in the name of religious worship - but you can tell them something which most people wouldn't find true. Think about it: Muslims say Mohammad was a Prophet from God, but most people on the planet Earth wouldn't agree. Many Christians say Jesus Christ was the only way to God - but the majority of people on the planet Earth wouldn't agree. Atheists say God doesn't exist, but a majority of people on the planet Earth would disagree. Does that mean Christians and Muslims and Atheists would all be disallowed from teaching their beliefs? Of course not. Teaching religious beliefs shouldn't be equated with child abuse, that is absurd.

i can say pi is now a nice even 3, but that doesn't mean it should be taught as mathematics, due to separation of church and state.

although evolution is inferred and much more debatable than the value of pi, science is just the modelling of observable phenomena. it seems wrong to me, to teach people a theory which is pretty ridiculously unlikely in some forms. as science.

You're welcome to say that it's ridiculous. (I would even agree with you that this museum is definitely over the top) But there is a substantitive difference between "ridiculous" and "illegal". I think redefining pi and an even 3 would be ridiculous - but it would be legal, and I would defend your right to make a museum about that, as long as you weren't using taxpayer dollars on it. I don't see how the evolutionism v. creationism debate is any different.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I think denying your children a proper education because of your benighted beliefs should certainly count as child abuse.

Maybe. But taking them to this museum isn't denying them a proper education.

 

[PrincepsAmerica]

Au contraire: I think denying your children a proper education because of your benighted beliefs should certainly count as child abuse.

This is a good idea that could not possibly lead to dangerous and arbitrary overreaching by the government. Not to mention the complete ease with which a "proper education" and "benighted beliefs" could be agreed upon. Those aren't subjective terms at all.

 

[CanseiDeSerSexy]

You're welcome to say that it's ridiculous. (I would even agree with you that this museum is definitely over the top) But there is a substantitive difference between "ridiculous" and "illegal". I think redefining pi and an even 3 would be ridiculous - but it would be legal, and I would defend your right to make a museum about that, as long as you weren't using taxpayer dollars on it. I don't see how the evolutionism v. creationism debate is any different.

Well, I was talking about more general terms, in schools and such. Whatever people choose to do in their own time/from their own pockets is entirely their own affair, agreed.

 

[scy12]

At least they did Agree that the earth is not Flat , we must wait another 1500 years before they start accepting the other scientific truths.

As for where do i stand in ? I am a "fascist " , no school can teach unscientific lies. Sooner or Later Religion will also accept them. " Bible is an allegory" Ok i am fine with that.

 

[Dr. Yoshi]

Meh, as long as they don't receive federal funding for this I'm perfectly fine with it. People can spend their money how they want to.

 

[JollyRoger]

"In an evolutionary world view, why should you have things like absolute morality? Why would it be wrong to kill someone?" said Jason Lisle, of Answers in Genesis. "I'm not saying that evolutionists aren't moral. I'm saying they have no reason to be moral."

Who needs a reason to be moral? Is this guy admitting he would be a mass murderer if it wasn't for the big cop in the sky? If I accept Jesus and punch my ticket into the afterlife eternal prom, what reason do I have to remain moral anymore?

 

[JollyRoger]

At least they did Agree that the earth is not Flat ,

Burn them.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Who needs a reason to be moral? Is this guy admitting he would be a mass murderer if it wasn't for the big cop in the sky? If I accept Jesus and punch my ticket into the afterlife eternal prom, what reason do I have to remain moral anymore?

Both atheists and theists are capable of being moral for morality's sake, but evidently all these Young Earth Creationists are just well-behaved sociopaths kept in line out of fear.

 

[scy12]

Burn them.

A nice idea. I will bring the matches...

 

[nihilistic]

Creation Museum Marries Adam, Eve and Dinosaurs

Wow! So these creationists are openly advocating polygamy and bestiality with that museum? Are they mormons? And the dinos, are they male or female or both?

 

[JollyRoger]

Wow! So these creationists are openly advocating polygamy and bestiality with that museum? Are they mormons? And the dinos, are they male or female or both?

Maybe Adam was shy the first time God introduced the animals to him as a potential mate, by once he got a load of Eve, he had no choice but to bring his true love into the mix.

 

[scy12]

Ken Ham, the president of Answers in Genesis, the group that is funding the museum, says that only "secular scientists" would maintain that the first humans never lived with dinosaurs.

Quoted for truth.

 

[mrt144]

60% of Americans believe the world was created in 6 days? in a nation where at least 70% of Americans are Christian?