ELITEOFWARMAN8
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Is it me or are some people here "Criminal huggers" and want to defend them when they do something wrong? 
Criminal huggers
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It's you.
GhostWriter16
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Sometimes yes...
AlpsStranger
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I react against the "hang 'em high" BS that the clucking hens in the suburbs pass their time with, but I'm not fond of criminals or anything.
There were a lot of W defenders once upon a time.
BvBPL
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ELITEOFWARMAN8
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Do you have any examples of this crminal hugging? It seems a bit of an odd fetish you imagine there.
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Depends what you mean by criminal.
If it's someone who's broken the law, then apart from children, I don't know any non-criminals.
There may actually be some, but I've not met them.
If by criminal you mean someone who has broken the law, been caught and convicted for it; then that takes you down to about 40% of the adult male population. Maybe 15% of the adult female population. Something like that, anyway.
If by criminal you mean someone who has done time in jail for something; then you're down to, I don't know, 5-10% of the adult male population?
Do I like nasty people in general? Probably not so much.
If it's someone who's broken the law, then apart from children, I don't know any non-criminals.
There may actually be some, but I've not met them.
If by criminal you mean someone who has broken the law, been caught and convicted for it; then that takes you down to about 40% of the adult male population. Maybe 15% of the adult female population. Something like that, anyway.
If by criminal you mean someone who has done time in jail for something; then you're down to, I don't know, 5-10% of the adult male population?
Do I like nasty people in general? Probably not so much.
rugbyLEAGUEfan
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Ok let's use your definition of criminal hugger......those who want to defend someone when they do something wrong. I see a few scenarios.
1. A poster who disagrees that the crime is wrong, and may even believe that their actions were admirable. In this case they perceive an injustice and it makes sense that they would defend the wrong doer.
2. A poster who accepts that the crime is in essence wrong, but feels the punishment far out weighs the crime. In this case, it's not so much a defense of the criminal but a criticism of the unjust punishment.
3. A poster who may agree that the punishment is deserved but also wishes to expose hypocrisy in the punishment where others have gotten away with it unjustly.
Really, only the first example is even remotely close to your definition of a criminal hugger, and even if you disagree with their views, so what? It's logically consistent and at least deserves to be considered on a case by case basis.
The other 2 scenarios clearly have nothing to do with any hugging of the criminal, yet people who may choose to argue against the punishment will usually be accused of "crimhug". Generally by those who wish to oversimplify things by using such terms then throwing them around without a great deal of thought.
1. A poster who disagrees that the crime is wrong, and may even believe that their actions were admirable. In this case they perceive an injustice and it makes sense that they would defend the wrong doer.
2. A poster who accepts that the crime is in essence wrong, but feels the punishment far out weighs the crime. In this case, it's not so much a defense of the criminal but a criticism of the unjust punishment.
3. A poster who may agree that the punishment is deserved but also wishes to expose hypocrisy in the punishment where others have gotten away with it unjustly.
Really, only the first example is even remotely close to your definition of a criminal hugger, and even if you disagree with their views, so what? It's logically consistent and at least deserves to be considered on a case by case basis.
The other 2 scenarios clearly have nothing to do with any hugging of the criminal, yet people who may choose to argue against the punishment will usually be accused of "crimhug". Generally by those who wish to oversimplify things by using such terms then throwing them around without a great deal of thought.
Disgustipated
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Is it me or are some people here "Criminal huggers" and want to defend them when they do something wrong?
Only when they are right.
I still defend the guy who made the anti-muslim film, and think Obama should release him.
Obama has him locked up until after the election. How convenient.
This post exactly.
I also like to add that people who ramble on about law and order but are completely unable or unwilling to explain why the law in question is good or the action it outlaws is bad just drive me mad. These people seem to be more concerned about punishment, even though it doesn't help anyone, than solving problems, and I do care about solving problems.
AlpsStranger
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Full Disclosure: Like many people, I was actually arrested once. Yes, it does permanently shift your perspective. Yes, it does tend to keep you from falling for the red meat, wild west, kill 'em all nonsense spewed by self-righteous conservatives.
ah so criminal hugger is the term they use in english? Around here, the term "Kuscheljustiz" (cuddle justice) is often used by the law and order types to the extend that even hearing the term makes my bile rise nowadays...
this, very much this
(and rugby's post too, but I didn't feel like quoting both of you 
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this, very much this
(and rugby's post too, but I didn't feel like quoting both of you )
Quackers
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why were you arrested? and why did it change your perspective?
Mise
isle of lucy
Well I for one love criminals and thing that all criminals should be released from jail immediately.
Disgustipated
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Being arrested is not the same as a conviction. It's fairly easy to get arrested (although I never have been), but conviction on the other hand is not so easy.
AlpsStranger
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Plea bargaining is pretty easy when the prosecutor somehow turns something that was barely a fight into "Aggravated Assault" though. $100 was better than the risk of taking it to trial even though my attorney advised me that I had >90% chance of winning.
Before anyone asks, it was all bare-handed and there was no credible threat of serious harm. It was just a messed up situation I wanted out of, so I plea bargained. The moral of the story, though, is simple: Prosecutors are not selfless public servants cleaning up our streets. They are rabid scalp-baggers who don't discriminate when they need another win to advance their career. Also, being naive, I told the truth to the officers on the scene instead of being in CYA mode. Never, ever be honest with a cop.
Fortunately, I didn't end up being a felon. I will never admire a prosecutor or be completely straight with a policeman again.
Oh, this could happen to me too. Fortunately I never ended up in a situation where I could have incriminated myself like that.
Crezth
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Mise said:
Amen.
