Criminal huggers

I don't hold with punishment as such, but not even I think releasing people who, to put it politely, have anger-management issues, is a good idea.

I sniff sardonic irony. Or some such.
 
But then you're concerned more with the protection of society, not punishment per se, right?
 
Yes. I think so. Thinking in terms of punishment seems a bit outdated, to me. And more importantly I don't think it has the intended effect of deterrence. Though it may satisfy some atavistic desire for revenge - which I can understand to some extent.
 
The OP may be on to something:

Founding Huggers said:
The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury;

No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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AlpsStranger said:
Plea bargaining is pretty easy when the prosecutor somehow turns something that was barely a fight into "Aggravated Assault" though. $100 was better than the risk of taking it to trial even though my attorney advised me that I had >90% chance of winning.

Before anyone asks, it was all bare-handed and there was no credible threat of serious harm. It was just a messed up situation I wanted out of, so I plea bargained. The moral of the story, though, is simple: Prosecutors are not selfless public servants cleaning up our streets. They are rabid scalp-baggers who don't discriminate when they need another win to advance their career. Also, being naive, I told the truth to the officers on the scene instead of being in CYA mode. Never, ever be honest with a cop.

Fortunately, I didn't end up being a felon. I will never admire a prosecutor or be completely straight with a policeman again.
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I'm suppose to feel bad? Don't blame it on the cops... blame it on yourself.
 
ELITEOFWARMAN8 said:
I'm suppose to feel bad? Don't blame it on the cops... blame it on yourself.
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Yeah, innocent people getting mistreated by overeager prosecutors? Their fault!

Say it with me: What a fine libertarian we have here.
 
ELITEOFWARMAN8 said:
I'm suppose to feel bad? Don't blame it on the cops... blame it on yourself.
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I know a lot of cops. Some are my best friends and/or spouse. Trust me, they aren't always nice people and some of them aren't too particularly interested in "truth." I think you will find the line between them looking out for you and looking out to screw you is a helluva lot finer than you think. They might be comforting to you in your day to day but the second they look at you like you may have done something they rapidly become terrifying. Yes. You actually should feel bad at least a little. This opinion, for lack of a better description, sounds like it's a product of naivete.
 
Wow, thanks Farm Boy. I know we don't always get along, but I appreciate your candor and understanding here.

I almost feel bad about our other thread now :)
 
Farm Boy said:
I know a lot of cops. Some are my best friends and/or spouse. Trust me, they aren't always nice people and some of them aren't too particularly interested in "truth." I think you will find the line between them looking out for you and looking out to screw you is a helluva lot finer than you think. They might be comforting to you in your day to day but the second they look at you like you may have done something they rapidly become terrifying. Yes. You actually should feel bad at least a little. This opinion, for lack of a better description, sounds like it's a product of naivete.
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See... this is why I may this thread. You people are criminal huggers. GO back to your crimes now. :)
 
I never know quite what to make of you, Mr E. Some of your opinions are off the range nasty, but you express them with such candor and lack of ill-feeling. ;)
 
What are you talking about?

I didn't "commit a crime" like breaking into someone's house or something. I got into a domestic dispute with an adult male relative. I wasn't hitting a woman or anything sordid, so don't get your hopes up.
 
I don't believe people can be evil or immoral, just their actions. So the whole concept of punishment kind of stops making sense for me there.
 
ELITEOFWARMAN8 said:
See... this is why I may this thread. You people are criminal huggers. GO back to your crimes now. :)
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Let me downgrade my previous use of "naivete" to "willful ignorance." Obligatory simley. :)
 
Borachio said:
I never know quite what to make of you, Mr E. Some of your opinions are off the range nasty, but you express them with such candor and lack of ill-feeling. ;)
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Pure naivete.

ELITEOFWARMAN8 said:
Let me guess, he beat you and you had to hit back? Sure. I'm done here.
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Even if that were true, where does it say that this is a crime?
 
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