Crusade! - "Middle Ages" scenario

[Quarky]

Middle Ages
PBEM game - MONARCHY Level

This scenario comes with Civ3 Complete. Not sure what other versions, but Conquests I presume. Worth checking that you have the scenario available.

It is 843. There are many groups of nations, fighting for domination of the Middle Ages. The playable nations are:


Abbasids (Muslim) - GREYGAMER (greygamerpbem @ y!ahoo . co . uk )

Germans - BLAZE INJUN (darkalec13 @ m!sn . c!om)

Byzantines - ECLIPSE4449( eclipse4449@ yahoo dot com )
France - SOUL WARRIOR (troykemp @ g!mail . c!om)

English - QUARKY (gheywood @ g!mail . c!om)

Denmark (Vikings) - ADYYC


(remove all spances and exclamation marks for email addresses).

Kievan Rus (Vikings)
Cordova (Muslim)


All nations have KING units (regicide), and several nations will also have the opportunity to gain VP's by returning relics to Jerusulem.

Unsure of the play order but will try and get that posted. Let me know which nations you would like.

Oh, standard PBEM rules. No diplomacy until you meet, no razing, no reloading, have fun etc.

 

[Blaze Injun]

Hey,

Thats some good taste. Thanks for the Invite. So far a pleasure.

On to the Holy Land!! Heathens all will bleed before God!!!
Sorry got in the mood for a moment.

I quess I'd like if I can one of the following:
1) Germans
2) English
3) Franks

Give me a Relic!!! Give me a Relic!!! Give me a Relic!!!

Challenge?
But here is a deal for you Quarky. Have you played any of the 2nd ranked nation? Say Denmark & Cordova? Or any muslim - vikings pair. I haven't but if you would take one I would the other. See what happens?
Maybe not. I have won with Germany.

Kievan Rus (Vikings)
Denmark (Vikings)
Cordova (Muslim)
Abbasids (Muslim)

AI Thought.
I believe the Byzantines should be AI on a high setting. They worked the Crusaders for coin & knights. Like to have it be the same way here. ROP would play a good part.

Blaze Injun

 

[Quarky]

Nope, I haven't played the scenario at all to be honest!! It certainly caught my imagination when I loaded it up though.

EDIT: I see, one of us goes viking, one goes muslim? Sounds interesting. Would definitely consider it Blaze.

We can certainly up the AI level from Regent too...

 

[Blaze Injun]

EDIT: I see, one of us goes viking, one goes muslim? Sounds interesting. Would definitely consider it Blaze.

We can certainly up the AI level from Regent too...

Regent would be good if we played Viking-Muslim. Not having a Relic is tough for points.

I'll take German since you have not played this game. The game is more interesting if you have a Relic. Whats a Middle Age game but a retelling of the Crusades.


Blaze injun

 

[greygamer]

Not played this one either (I play epic solo/scenarios PBEM), I'd like either;

1) the Franks - saw a documenary on them recently
2) Abbasids (Muslim) not being surrounded at the start would be nice

Respect to Quarky and Blaze Injun for offering to pick two weaker civs, I am happy with the higher AI level (Monarch?).

 

[Quarky]

OK. GAME FULL (well we have a desirable number). Willl post details in a couple of hours.

 

[adyyc]

I would like to join as danes or kievan or at least byzantines. I play also another midle ages scen as abassids.(http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=173383)

Who took abbasids here? I belive is a must to be played by human.
I prefer a high level AI.

I have played civ 3 for more than 6 years. Played 1 year and a half online in ladder also.

P.S. in MP you cant play with more than 8 nations. I beleive burgudians are not there.
Also set the option preserve random seed in order the game to be balanced.

 

[Quarky]

First post has been edited with proposed names/nations...

 

[soul_warrior]

checking in.
frankly, i have no probs with with being ernest

havent played this scenario yet either.

 

[adyyc]

Use this scenario as it have preserve random seed checked please. Its discourage players replay turns. Its really important.
Also put a admin password.

 

[Blaze Injun]

Hey,

Louis the German has his game music.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utaUNFeaBS0][/URL]

Anyone know that one?

No need to discourage this group. All Cheaters will be 'd.


Blaze Injun

 

[Quarky]

Use this scenario as it have preserve random seed checked please. Its discourage players replay turns. Its really important.
Also put a admin password.

Thanks for that. What is the difference between that and the "preserve random seed" option? Or does this BIQ just make sure it is on anyway?

I am going to have a quick look tonight, see if I can get the turn order sorted, and then get the game created. Will have a look at this tonight.

I expect I will have to do what I did with my previous PBEM, where either I will have to create the game for the first player, and set their password for them, then send them the game to play, or, they create the game. It will depend on how comfortable whoever is first is with either solution...

 

[soul_warrior]

quarky, if im first, i dont mind if you set my password.
let me know before hand so i can email it to you.

also just noticed youre English.
again.
goodluck trying to get the holy grail!

 

[greygamer]

also just noticed youre English.
again.
goodluck trying to get the holy grail!

...and Blaze is Germanic again...very interesting

 

[adyyc]

I added the option (preserve random seed) from scenarios properties and changed the default victory points from 30000 to 35000. Didn't have time to explain. You can change by yourself. 30000 is really small as with a conq of a 10 people city you can get 1000. Also VP are took from unit kiling reasearch and others.
The option (preserve random seed) echilibrates your luck. Your luck is saved and you will have same luck even if you replay the turn (load/reload). This will balance the game as you can't be always lucky (the luck is saved). I'll play only if this option is selected.

 

[Quarky]

That's cool, I know what the PRS does, just wasn't sure why it was in your BIQ. Well, if no one else has any problems with the increase in required VP's, we can all use that!

 

[adyyc]

Here is the scenario with no VP changes.

I have an amendament to razing cities. I'm not really ok with no raze at all... as some civs can place their cities just 1 tile next to your cities and situiation is not such nice. There are also some nasty situations.
I think a good rule is the folowing refer to razing (as we have sttlers and can make easelly cities):
If you conquest a city:
No raze cities grater than 6. You can raze them when they get 6 pop.
No raze at all for capital cities as Byzatium, Jerusalem, Paris, etc.
No raze the same turn you conqured the city. Raze it next turn to give a chance to the defeated army to conter-attack.

Also
No raze if 4 offensive enemy units are withn 2 tiles from your city. In order to let them chance to attack you can raze city after 3 turns.

 

[Quarky]

OK, the first post have been updated with play order. If everyone is happy with the rules, suggestions, and BIQ, I will start tomorrow. Other let me know if there are any objections.


Greygamer, as you are first, either you can create the game or I can create it and set a password for you. Let me know, otherwise I will create one.

Cheers

 

[Eclipse4449]

Did you use my suggestion to align players east to west in the world? I think the Random Seed was an excellent idea but the amendment rule to razing cities I will follow but I don't understand why, you should defend your cities if they are overtaken you simply didn't defend them well enough, but that is just my opinion and if the majority feels your way is the best then I'm ok with it.

 

[adyyc]

Was just a rule propsal.
My ideea was that if your enemy raze all cities before your army reach them you will not gain any VP's and also he maybe can fight out of cities and cause loses with no profit for you.

In the reallity you cant raze cities if army is near your cities.

Also i belive razing more than 3 cities per turn is kinda too much.