Discussion in 'All Other Games' started by SouthernKing, Nov 10, 2011.
Video showing the new features for the expansion.
I am extremely psyched for Holy Fury. It definitely feels like this might be the last DLC for CK2 in which case we may even get a CK3 in a few years as well.
The crusade system and shattered world setup look worth the price of admission alone.
Also, you should post more, @Truronian.
Sofia of the Dhoo Dynasty, whose might governs the Empire of Man, has succeeded in earning our place as a most notable bloodline.
Alas she would shortly die, for the dual that earn her place as a heorine of the Wolf Warriors left her greatly injured and she succumbed to those injuries.
Glories to her heir, Saga II!
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
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SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
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Played Holy fury a bit
some changes are good, some are bad. All the bad ones are free and many of the good ones are paid features so that figures
anyway overall it's fairly fun. I think crusader kings is the only good Paradox dev studio game, so if the theorising this is the last dlc for CK2 is true it's good that the last thing I plan to buy from this company isn't something I completely regret
I don't have nearly the experience in this game as I have in EU 4 (where I have multiple one-tags), but I've taken holy fury out for a spin, going for White Hun achievement:
Reformed zunist chinese empire
still planning on taking over the whole map but I think that process is going to slow down a bit since several of these I think are best to take with invasion casus belli which I only get once per lifetime
Also the name spanned seemed larger and straighter when I had less which is annoying
^ Can't you favor recruit claimants and press those to cut down on some of the invasion CB needs? With so much prestige and not a lot of external diplomacy to care about truces are just pieces of paper anyway. I think you can survive -5 diplomacy and less prestige here.
I've done a lot of claimant favour recriutment (especially in spain, as I remember), but it's not all easy. They need to be not close relatives with the ruler and not married, and most of the time they have to be men. Especially against nomads it's hard because only adults get to inherit there so I can't regency press. And with a few of them there aren't even claimants.
As for surviving the truce breaking penalties, yes, but I don't like doing that. I've been kinda indoctrinated in the idea that maximising prestige score is the point of the game.
It still went quicker than I expected though
Done a lot of wars at the same time, and vasalls have helped, so there's now only 3 other states with more than barony holdings (I discovered there were a number of independent baronies but I've now taken most of them except catholic and sunni holy orders)
Anyway China (the Cheng empire) just got invaded by jürchens so it's a prime oppurtunity to force my own dynasty on china but apparantly that makes me lose chinese imperial government and I'm not sure if I want that (also getting chinese imperial is apparantly supposed to make you lose crace interactions, but that didn't happen to me)
anyway a rant:
why are zunists barred from this?
also I learned there's a gun artifact but I don't know how to get it. Does anyone else
which remind me, I did (as the latest character in the screenshots) get the necronomicon
Spouses can often be removed, but yes it can be a bit rough, especially for relatively small nomad nations with few/no claimants. At that point I guess it is a choice between waiting on invasion or simply doing some type of holy war and then doing murder plots to end truces faster wherever possible.
sorry about boring updates but I did it in the end with the same charcter even. Actually found a claimant for the Tibet country even (somehow franks ended in power there, no idea how)
really not liking that name orientation tbh
There's a couple of provinces (exactly 2) up north where there's not more building slots to make a castle or city so they revert to nomad control on death so I need to retake them and do the whole process of upgrading from tribal to castle. Also templars and knights of the sun have some holdings here and there which is a bit annoying but :/
I turned aztec invasions off which I regret now since there's less to do, but I had no idea beginning this campaign I'd end up taking the entire map so there's that. Seljuks never appeared, I don't know why. I've mostly played in the 1066 start so I don't really have any experience with them (and I've rarely played far enough for mongols to appear since horse lords came out so I don't really know how they work now either)
Should probably have posted more interesting things like Ailedhoo did but I don't remember too much and didn't take pictures underway. I reformed zunist to be cosmopolitan, so I managed to get claims on byzantium, Mali and Deccan through marriages, and Bengal pretty easy inhereted. I tried doing the same with Tibet but that failed. So even though I have access to divine blood most of my characters haven't been in inbreeding danger (also got a marriage with a chinese consort at a couple of points). This unlike most countries in Europe where I found claimants to take over countries like Germany which was pretty large.
Most of my characters have been in the warrior lodge, but I've realised I kept at that longer than I should. It's pretty great early game, but later on it gets pretty superfluous. but that "inspire warriors" ability you get in lodges is amazing so I'm scared they're going to nerf that in the future.
the Nicknames I got where mostly boring, like four character, including the one above got it for using holy war casus belli.
I chose "ancestor veneration" which ended up getting kinda boring because I didn't get to make any of the characters I played as as venerated ancestors. Guess it's some kind of game balancing thing but it got pretty dull. All in all I didn't get very engrossed in the bloodline mechanics and haven't mastered it at all really. Only neat thing is that I got Alexander's bloodline which gave me the invasion casus belli I otherwise wouldn't have had.
Also obviously haven't seen much of the crusading mechanics. At one point one was called against me, but it didn't fire and I would have won it easily anyway because I already had Germany and Italy at that point.
China seems kinda overpowered to fight against. Obviously now I can do it but if I for example had only Tibet I'm not sure if I could. That's not holy fury, but still.
All in all I kinda wish you could chose more than 2 doctrines for reformed religion to get more interesting things to happen.
I was at an early point uncertain if I should try to get chinese imperial or byzantine imperial. Went with the former, since when I took over byzantium I lost their imperial government. That seemed kinda interesting to play with but oh well.
Also the zunbils already start with council power abolished so that never played in.
Full disclosure I guess I played on very easy because my patience is drained. I would've liked to increase it after the early game when I was up against the abbasids, but it seems you can't do that. Also played like I always have with defensive pacts and shattered retreat off.
That is an impressively large mega-empire. Is that from a Charlemagne start date?
I haven't bought Holy Fury, but did start my annual CKII game, taking up the Ghuzz in 769 AD, for my first game as a Horse Lord. I've been steadily expanding pretty much ever since, one province at a time, but by now resulting in about 14 provinces, from 4 initially, or about one every 2.5 years, resulting in a nice regional empire around the Aral Sea, while still not being able to challenge the larger hordes effectively. It's sorta nice not having to worry about having vassal levies razed too long, and pillaging conquered settled lands is a great way to amass wealth quickly - most of which I've devoted to building a temple in a Tengrii Holy City.
Interesting developments include the Byzantines paying tribute to the Khazars, Pannonia being formed by Bohemia, and an early fracturing of the Abbasids, particularly in the western parts of their realm.
Drama-wise, things have been more calm than in a typical CKII settled society. My best general, and one of the clan leaders, did plot to kill me while we were at war (and while he was first in line of succession), but that's to be expected every so often, and gave me a great reason to banish him and confiscate his wealth, absorb his clan, and start a new one in its place. The leader of the second clan refused my next re-allocation of land, so he wound up being sacrificed to the gods, but that's the price you pay for insubordination on the steppe. So far the leader of the third clan has managed to keep his position, wealth, and head.
I decided to try the Defender of the Holy Sepulchre achievement (AKA start as Eustache de Boulogne (the Count of Boulogne in France) in 1066, choose to play as your beneficiary after they are made King or Queen in Jerusalem after a Crusade.
I not only succeeded but the virtues of King Antoin were noted by His Holiness, much to the delignt to his successor Pernelle.
Blessed by the holy blood of her father and her mother's holding of the warrior blood of Ragnarr surely the Crusaders will...
yea, only the 769 start has playable zunists
Don't know much about playing nomads myself btw. I tried it once and didn't like it much
As for Ailedhoo it was pretty neat getting two bloodlines for one characters. As I said I don't know much about how bloodline inheretance works. I read on the wiki you could matrilinally marry a woman of your dynasty to a character with a bloodline you want, and then if you matrilinally marry one of their daughters to your character, your children will get the bloodline in addition to keeping those you already had. Is that what you have done? Is there anything more to it?
I tried starting playing as the duke of Hellas in 769 (who only holds Athens) in order to try and restore hellenism. That didn't go so well because I was iconoclast which is a heresy and only the official orthodox gets the delve into the classics decision, and trying to run a secret society to convert people was difficult and I had no experience with that. But mostly the problem was my characters kept dying to quickly, and when the guy I finally got to become hellenic died and I ended in a regency I kinda ragequit (I wasn't actully raging but I got very tired by it). That was some days ago and I haven't gone back to it since.
I kinda want to try that savefile again though because the frankish realms were united and had conquered Italy, which I don't think I've ever seen before, and that seems interesting.
I also tried playing charlemagne several times since that dlc came out, but I never managed to do it
I got Ragnarr's blood by having the mother of my Queen been married to the (legitimised) bastard prince of a Norse ruler who so happened to decent from Ragnarr.
OK I am doing a Charles start Isle of Man run, ruling as the house of Manaw of the now Kingdom of Manaw. As one who was raised on the Isle of Man... consider this my "home isle run."
However I am not here to tell you of my dominion over Pictland, Ireland, Wales, Cornwell and Brittany; rather I am going to tell you of the Child Crusade and its unpredicted victory.
King Gamon the Page of Our Lord ruled as the founder of the Kingdom of Jerusalem.
The Frenchman took to the local culture, resulting in the new dynasty he would form adopting the name Gamon as its family name and the rather humoured notion of the Christain Sultanate of Gamon.
The Kingdom of Gamon ruled by the Gamon dynasty headed by Gamon the Page of Our Lord.
His is not the only tale I will tell; a fierce woman by the name of Shakira succeeded in conquering Austrias from the great Hispanic empire, resulting in a new Muslim kingdom in Europe.
Anyhow: the current status of Man
You're actually Manx, Ailedhoo, or just raised there?
Lived there between when I was 3 till the year 2012 when I went to Wales to study international politics at the age of 20 coming to 21 for my birthday be in October.
Anyhow: I will like to declare in CK2 I have a char became one of two bloodlines.
First he build:
Then his virtues are set:
Bonus: BURNING SHEEP
Don't you love the smell of mutton in the morning?
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