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Crusader Kings 2
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Maniacal
the green Napoleon
Its about time, I just hope they don't cop out and only introduce a handful of features. I'd especially enjoy far more to actually do with my character, the random events can be very few and far between. Hell I usually don't bother with those ambitions that increase stats because they take years to fire if they even fire at all!
The game has actually gotten pretty dull for me in the last year or so because I feel like I spend far too much time fast forwarding the game just to get to the next war or battle as other events are, again, few and far between and I can barely do anything with my own character aside from hunting or holding a feast.
The game has actually gotten pretty dull for me in the last year or so because I feel like I spend far too much time fast forwarding the game just to get to the next war or battle as other events are, again, few and far between and I can barely do anything with my own character aside from hunting or holding a feast.
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It will be rather nice to not have to always assassinate lovers when the relationship is stale. You'd have thought they would have figured that our by Charlemagne's time, I guess it took a few hundred more years.
Not really much to go on yet, though. I've been more into EU4 and now Vicky2 than CKII this year, so I'll probably skip at launch.
Not really much to go on yet, though. I've been more into EU4 and now Vicky2 than CKII this year, so I'll probably skip at launch.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
...what? How is seduce supposed to be feminist PC stuff?
...nevermind I don't want to know.
...nevermind I don't want to know.
Well I have a non-gross theory, and it's that if you're a lady ruler, you can try to seduce an emperor or someone else with really nice lands, and then your child together will eventually get claims on said lands. Plus you have +75 relations with the ruler you're screwing.
Only if you do matrilinial, or its game over
cybrxkhan
Asian Xwedodah
Having some time to think about it, I think I still have the same stance on WoL: on one hand I'm happy that they're doing something like SoA that adds "depth," but at the same time I'm still a bit hesitant about how this beta patching system is going to work (not to mention this was announced so soon after CM).
Anyhow, as long as this makes it easier to pull off some Xwedodah, I'm not complaining (yet).
Y'know what why don't I just summarize what happened:
Tl;dr: PI forums
Anyhow, as long as this makes it easier to pull off some Xwedodah, I'm not complaining (yet).
Y'know what why don't I just summarize what happened:
- Group of posters (A) take issue with word "seduce" claiming it is analogous to misygonisic abuse or something and that PI is being immoral or insensitive or something
- Group of posters (B) reasonably counter A, that CKII has a lot of worse stuff in it and/or that PI isn't being misogynistic or whatever
- Group of posters (C) say that A are a bunch of ******** PC liberals
- A accuses C and B of being MRA pro-rape misogynists
- B says A are the kind of people that make feminism look bad
- C counters A with predictable mudslinging counterarguments
- And it goes on and on until the mods remove the posts and tell people to take the arguments elsewhere
Tl;dr: PI forums
I didn't know you could have matrilineal affairs.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
Ah, ok, in that order, yes, I can see it happening. I had misread your initial post so it sounded like A were claiming Paradox's use of seduce was bowing to feminism.
cybrxkhan
Asian Xwedodah
If only it were that simple. :|
PI flamewars are so ridiculous, often you don't want to sympathize even with the side you agree with 100%.
plarq
Crazy forever
And PI forum trolls said CFC is more trollish...
I never saw an Internet slang that has such good translation into Old Persian.
More firm evidence of their trollitude could not have been better fabricated.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Maybe somebody can help me with this situation I have in my game:
- I am king (A) of Poland
- My son (B) is born and is heir to the crown of Poland.
- Son (B) marries Queen of Hungary (X)
- Son has son (C)
- I (A) die, and B becomes King of Poland AND King of Hungary - However, Poland and Hungary still exist of individual kingdoms. The Queen of Hungary (X) is on the main "Ruler of country" panel for Hungary, and I am effectively the "first gentleman" type of King (I think)
- Queen of Hungary (X) dies - B continues being King of both nations.
- C (A's grandsom, B's son) is now heir to the crown of Poland AND heir the crown of Hungary.
- B dies. C becomes King of Hungary and gets a couple Polish provices. A new King of Poland, the cousin of B is suddenly king of Poland.
Why didn't C become King of both countries? Why didn't they merge into one kingdom? How was it decided that he was going to become King of Hungary but not King of Poland?
Poland was running under elective monarchy, if that changes anything, but up until my death the heir was C. Then when B dies.. .. all of a sudden that was all ignored and somebody else became king.
So what am I missing? And is there a way to merge two kingdoms under 1 crown in a scenario like this? I would like to continue playing as a family running the Polish kingdom - not Hungarian, if a merge is not possible. So what makes the game decide to hand C the kingdom of Hungary - but not Poland?
- I am king (A) of Poland
- My son (B) is born and is heir to the crown of Poland.
- Son (B) marries Queen of Hungary (X)
- Son has son (C)
- I (A) die, and B becomes King of Poland AND King of Hungary - However, Poland and Hungary still exist of individual kingdoms. The Queen of Hungary (X) is on the main "Ruler of country" panel for Hungary, and I am effectively the "first gentleman" type of King (I think)
- Queen of Hungary (X) dies - B continues being King of both nations.
- C (A's grandsom, B's son) is now heir to the crown of Poland AND heir the crown of Hungary.
- B dies. C becomes King of Hungary and gets a couple Polish provices. A new King of Poland, the cousin of B is suddenly king of Poland.
Why didn't C become King of both countries? Why didn't they merge into one kingdom? How was it decided that he was going to become King of Hungary but not King of Poland?
Poland was running under elective monarchy, if that changes anything, but up until my death the heir was C. Then when B dies.. .. all of a sudden that was all ignored and somebody else became king.
So what am I missing? And is there a way to merge two kingdoms under 1 crown in a scenario like this? I would like to continue playing as a family running the Polish kingdom - not Hungarian, if a merge is not possible. So what makes the game decide to hand C the kingdom of Hungary - but not Poland?
trader/warrior
Deity
So after the queen of hungary died, B was ruling both countries as one realm? The most obvious case I can see is if Hungary became your main title and it had Gavelkind law leading to the split. Though I'm not really sure if it works like that, haven't played in a while.
Edit: The more I think about this the more confused I get, when the queen of hungary died shouldn't her title have passed directly to her son C rather than her husband as the post seems to suggest?
Edit: The more I think about this the more confused I get, when the queen of hungary died shouldn't her title have passed directly to her son C rather than her husband as the post seems to suggest?
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Maybe I messed up the order of things there... but I don't think so. I am about 70% sure that she died and her husband (King of poland - me) remained being King of the country, the heir staying as their son as well. So basically I was king of the country before she died, and after.
I didn't realize there was such a thing as a main title. That could very well be it. If someone is King of two countries though, how do you figure out which the main title is? And countries ever merge when having the same king? And if so, under which conditions?
I didn't realize there was such a thing as a main title. That could very well be it. If someone is King of two countries though, how do you figure out which the main title is? And countries ever merge when having the same king? And if so, under which conditions?
cybrxkhan
Asian Xwedodah
For those who haven't noticed it yet, it seems like the beta patch thingymajig was just a beta patch like the series of beta patches they've had since the release of CM. Feels a bit anticlimatic to me after they sorta hyped it up, but whatever. Ignoring whether the beta patch is stable or not, it does seem to include a number of nice things, particularly for modders.
In the thread for the beta patch, the devs did mention just a bit of information about WoL:
I'm fine with that, anyways, WoL sounds good to me overall; now that I don't need to speculate/worry about what they meant with their new beta patching system, I can focus more on hoping WoL turns out well.
One title will always be the primary title, I think it's the title that shows up on your character's name. You can change primary titles if you select the title's COAs on the character screen. You can also change the law for each separate title in the laws screen.
It's impossible to have two countries "merge", but it is possible for kingdoms to assimilate into another kingdom, or empires to assimilate into another empire. That is, let's say you rule the Kingdom of England, and conquer some parts of the de jure Kingdom of Poland. If no exchange of territories happen, after 100 years, the de jure parts of Poland you rule now become de jure part of England.
In the thread for the beta patch, the devs did mention just a bit of information about WoL:
I'm fine with that, anyways, WoL sounds good to me overall; now that I don't need to speculate/worry about what they meant with their new beta patching system, I can focus more on hoping WoL turns out well.
One title will always be the primary title, I think it's the title that shows up on your character's name. You can change primary titles if you select the title's COAs on the character screen. You can also change the law for each separate title in the laws screen.
It's impossible to have two countries "merge", but it is possible for kingdoms to assimilate into another kingdom, or empires to assimilate into another empire. That is, let's say you rule the Kingdom of England, and conquer some parts of the de jure Kingdom of Poland. If no exchange of territories happen, after 100 years, the de jure parts of Poland you rule now become de jure part of England.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
So basically if I want to marry my kids into other families, the main reason to do so is not to gain new territories, but to have helpful allies? For the most part?
I am going to load an older game, before people started dying, and try to change the primary title. Thanks! If I can't get these 2 kingdoms merged, maybe I can at least have my son inherit some Hungarian provinces that can be added to his kingdom of Poland.
You know, each time I load up this game, I think to myself: "I should try playing as someone who isn't Polish".. but then I've never really had a satisfactory game with my people. So the cycle repeats.. I guess with EUIV I broke out of the cycle by having that one successful game, so if I play CKII enough, it should happen as well..
I am going to load an older game, before people started dying, and try to change the primary title. Thanks! If I can't get these 2 kingdoms merged, maybe I can at least have my son inherit some Hungarian provinces that can be added to his kingdom of Poland.
You know, each time I load up this game, I think to myself: "I should try playing as someone who isn't Polish".. but then I've never really had a satisfactory game with my people. So the cycle repeats.. I guess with EUIV I broke out of the cycle by having that one successful game, so if I play CKII enough, it should happen as well..
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
You could try starting in Ireland 
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
I think I figured out what happened.. it's kind of silly really, I'm not sure how I didn't see it. When I died, my heir wasn't the guy with the most votes.. that or I forgot to nominate him. Whoops. I cheated and killed off the guy everybody wanted to vote for (I guess all my vassals hated me, not sure why, they loved my dad), then I killed myself, and my heir became king of poland, then killed queen of hungary, and I inherited all her titles and merged hungary into Poland.
Well, that was fun. Now I know how titles work a bit better. Instead of Ireland it seems like the HRE would be more fun with all the inter-germaninizing and family affairs and conflicts
Well, that was fun. Now I know how titles work a bit better. Instead of Ireland it seems like the HRE would be more fun with all the inter-germaninizing and family affairs and conflicts
plarq
Crazy forever
You could try starting in Ireland
I really like to start as a Patrician from Amalfi. Also a 867 start in Ireland is not that easy, be aware of Vikings!
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