Cumulative PM-based History Quiz II

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@ SeleucusNicator: Yes I like your idea here, especially as I find myself faced with a "European Mafia", which is why I hadn't played a quiz yet :). A distribution, is fair, diverse and is quite easy to do also:

20 questions
6 continents (drop Antarctica)
At least 3 questions from Africa, 3 from S. Amercia etc.
Spare 2 questions for the QM to indulge themself.

Simple. (Except that some questions tend to traverse contintents).

@ Mongoloid: Luceafarul's quiz ended last Friday. The questions and the scoreboard of the current one are on page 3.
 
I'm not sure I like the idea of specifying topics or regions that *must* be in each quiz - it seems to me to be imposing too much uniformity on it. Especially since, as you point out, many potential questions might not fit in the box. For example, I know nothing whatsoever about American history (I'm only dimly aware that there *is* such a thing...) so I would find it hard to set such questions! I think it would be better simply to have the basic guideline that you can ask on whatever subject you like as long as you try to get a fair balance of subjects and difficulty. Which is, after all, what we ought to be doing anyway.
 
:bounce: :banana: Oh. Sorry. I'm just lost because all the talk was kinda... boring, confusing and largely OT. I don't have any clue about what has gone on in the past three to four pages as I have struggled too much to follow it.

As for categories, how about:
- 1 Europe; 1 Africa or Mid East; 1 Asia, Australia or Oceania; 1 Americas; and 6 free choice for the quizmaster.
- 1 Ancient; 1 Medieval; 1 Renaissance, Exploration Age, Colonial Age or Industrial Age; and 1 Modern; and 6 free choice for the quizmaster.
A question can use up two categories from either geography or chronology, but not two from only one category. That is to say, a question could be "In 1453, the Ottoman Turks conquered which important city ending the Byzantine Empire?" (using up a Europe and Medieval slot), but a question like "In which battle did the Arab Caliphate and the Chinese Empire fight which caused 30,000 deaths but was considered by both to be a minor border skirmish?" (which would not count as using up the Mid East and Asian slot; it would only take up one of those). Too complex?

Plotinus, I understand you concern. But it often gets to a group of three or four people only being able to answer a quiz because they are too concentrated on Asian, German, American or whatever history. I won't speak for anyone else, but I personally try to spread my questions around so a lot of people can take a stab.
 
:hmm: Technically, I do agree with that conceptions to cover several continents and eras...but, that complaint simply does not apply to the questions so far.
Please give an example of a quiz that was one-sided.

IMHO the real complain is not about 'eurocentric' or 'asia-centric' - but, it's about not being 'america-centric'. True, there weren't any questions about Major XY who lost his horse in <unpronouncable> durning either the Civil or the independence war, or about what was the prefered lunch of president z.
But, we neither had that kind of questions for Europe or Asia.
 
I don´t think that such strict rules are neccessary. We all have certain areas in history we are good in and others we have little to no knowledge. So I think it should stay free what kind of question one posts. If someone has two good questions from the Austrian wars with the Ottoman empire he can tell both. Nevertheless we can introduce a rule that a quiz should be asked with mixed questions from different areas and times. Also questions like: How many horses lost Bismarck in battles (3) should be not posted as nearly nobody would ever be able to answer.

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Please give an example of a quiz that was one-sided.

One of mine was mostly western european, I don't remember the specifics, but I remember mentioning it when I posted the quiz. It didn't get anyone from Asia competing in it IIRC, so I'd say the point about asia-centric vs european-centric is very valid.
 
It didn't get anyone from Asia competing in it IIR
Let's face it, the main reason for this is of course the small number of Asian members.
And the comparably low participation of Americans is as easily explained: The "peaceful" part of the history forum is almost entirely populated by "elder" members, with a comparably profound knowledge of history.
And in this group, the US:Europeans ratio is much more in favor of the Euros than on the other fora.

The last quizzes for sure covered all various regions and eras. And still, no Asian, mostly Europeans.

How many horses lost Bismarck in battles
Yes. And that exactly is my problem with so-called 'American History' (imagine, we have no such thing as 'German History' here... and I bet the same is true for most of Europe) - 75% of it is such glorification of military heroes nobody outside the US has ever heard of. Unless he was featured in a Hollywood epos, of course ;).
 
Just like Doc T said.
Because of those reasons it is obvious that we have more European questions. I think no rules should be imposed on what sort of questions are asked, it should be left down to the common sense of the quizmaster. For those people who insist on strict rules regulating the questions or on allowing google, well, go ahead and make a new thread, I don't mind. I think this thread should stay the way it always was, and if someone wants to change it, start a new thread.
 
Scoreboard as of Thursday 16.00 GMT:

5th - Nonconformist: 4.5 points
4th - YNCS: 17 points
3rd - Redtooth: 19.5 points
2nd - Doc Tsiolkovski: 34 points

1st - Plotinus: 46 points
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Let's face it, the main reason for this is of course the small number of Asian members.

Many of whom have taken part in the quizes in the past though. In fact some time ago when I posted a quiz a couple specifically mentioned that it was too "western" (or variants on that theme) for them.

As for the rest, what the hell is the "peaceful" part of the forum and the "elder" members? :confused:

As for Americans posting questions about unkown American Heroes, that can work both ways, because not everyone in England or France is going to have heard of some 15th Century Polish king either.
 
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I'd like to make a couple of comments about myself:
  • I'm an American, but I've been playing these quizzes for some time now. I've even won a couple.
  • I have a degree in history, my specialty is military history. Therefore, many of my questions have a military background.
  • Other people, with other interests, have loaded their quizzes with questions showing their interests. I will not embarrass a certain Norwegian with an obvious interest in socialism and labor problems by giving any examples.
  • I haven't seen too much of "who was the American Civil War general who literally got away with murder when he wasn't prosecuted for killing his commander."* I have seen a Polish explorer I'd never heard of referred to as "famous." So that knife cuts both ways.
  • I have little knowledge of art and art history, therefore showing a couple of paintings with "what school of art do these represent" is not going to get much response from me. The same is true when presenting a bit of heraldry and asking "whose coat of arms is this?"
  • These quizzes are supposed to be fun. When they stop being fun, then I'll stop participating in them.

*Union Brigadier General Jefferson C. Davis (no relation to the President of the Confederacy) shot and killed his commander, Major General William Nelson, during an argument. The shooting took place in Nelson's hotel room in Louisville, Kentucky on September 29, 1862. Davis was never tried for Nelson's murder.
 
Moderator Action: Alright, folks, let's end all the arguing, and stick to the quiz as I originally put it up.

This is supposed to be fun, and simple. Where everybody can participate. ;)

For those who prefer a more complicated one, pls start a new thread.
 
Yes thanks XIII :). I shall be posting the answers and results of the current quiz in about 6 hours from now.
 
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Rambuchan’s First Quiz

1) Comparative Mythology has recognised that many geographically distinct cultures have created parallel Gods for the world around them. For example an Ocean God. appears in many cultures’ pantheon of Gods: Greek (Poseidon), Roman (Neptune), Egyptian (Sebek) and Indian (Varuna). Please choose either A or B and complete all the spaces where you see ‘???’ correctly for [1 point]:

A - Function: Lightning God
Greek: Zeus
Roman: Jupiter
Egyptian: Amon
Indian: Indra

B - Function: Death God
Greek: Hades
Roman: Pluto
Egyptian: Thoth, Osiris, Anubis
Indian: Yama

Reason for Asking: Simple really. To demonstrate that humans have universal spiritual needs and react to them in very similar ways. Also a trick in the Egyptian God of Death.

2) The Safavid Persian Empire is known as one of “The Three --Gunpowder-- Empires”. Fill in ??? and tell me the name of the other two empires. [Mughal & Ottoman]

R4A: True to my anti-Eurocentric line, I included this to highlight their military advancement. European Historians often refer to them simply as the 3 Islamic Empires, which clearly takes away from their military greatness and introduces misleading, inaccurate and possibly negative connotations . These 3 were military trailblazers and were using handguns, advanced artillery, rockets, musketmen and highly skilled cavalry from 1400s until their respective declines some 300-500 years later. They were also political innovators. I don’t know so much about the Ottomans but the Mughals (especially under Akbar) refined a style of governance called “The Mansab System” which ranked everybody by military status and allowed the posting of faithful nobles to appropriate provinces, reducing corruption and war weariness, amongst other things. The ranking in itself ensured fidelity. This system was taken up by Europeans in the Subcontinent and indeed around the world and is seen in the Viceroy style of governance favoured by the British.

“Mansabdari System: was initiated by Akbar in 1577 (in the nineteenth year of his reign) for the purpose of expanding his army as well as organising the nobility to maintain his hold over his rule. Under this system, every officer of the State was assigned a rank (mansab). It was an official appointment of rank and profit. The mansab was bound to supply a number of troops for the military service of the State. The mansabdars formed the official nobility of the country. The Mansabdari System was thus the "army, the peerage, and the civil administration, rolled into one". The military system of the Delhi Sultanate was influenced, to some extent, by the Mongol system. .”


http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/br/2002/01/08/stories/2002010800200400.htm

http://www.competitionmaster.com/pages/infobank/infohist/m.html

3) Which church did the British abolitionists Zachary Macaulay and William Wilberforce attend in London? [Holy Trinity Church, Clapham]

R4A: These fellows were at the heart of the Slave Abolition movement and they deserve due recognition. But they were a controversial bunch. The Clapham Sect was not seen as a well respected religious outfit but on the political front they were hard to ignore. They used letter writing campaigns, devastating oration in the House of Commons, mass leafleting and many other pseudo-guerilla style political tactics to achieve their ends. Recommend reading: “Empire: How Britain Made the Modern World” by Niall Ferguson. Entertaining, damning, accurate and glorifying all at the same time.

4) The Diamond has been a symbol of conquest since it first appeared in historical records. It has been coveted by many rulers of many nations and kingdoms. It is known as (going backwards into history):

a) The Star of India (as named by the British)
b) The Koh-i-Noor (Mountain of Light – this name was given to it by Shah Tahmasp in picture 3 when he first set eyes on it)
c) Babur’s Diamond (person 1, the first known owner although it had been around for a long time before he got it)

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The Mines: The Golconda Mines in modern day Andhra Pradesh, India. These mines have been producing world class gems throughout history. The Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Persians, Chinese, everyone has coveted these gems.

The people: 1) Babur – the first Mughal to conquer large parts of India in 1524. Gave the diamond to > 2) Humayun – his son, who lost the gains his father made and wandered lucklessly for most of his life, carrying the diamond. He gave the diamond as a gift for refuge to > 3) Shah Tahmasp – Safavid Persian Ruler. Gave it it’s most famous name. Sent the diamond as a gift for converting to Shia to > 4) Jamshid Qutb of Golconda!! – Affiliate of the Safavids and an ambassador for Islam in India. There is much controversy about whether the diamond was actually delivered to him. 5) Shah Jahan – One of the great Mughals. Acquired the diamond through conquest in the South of India. Passed the gem down thru his sons until this man got it > 6) Ranjit Singh (aka The Lion of the Punjab) – This man diddled the Mughals out of their treasured diamond and ruled over northern India between the Mughals and British rise to power. > 7) Duleep Singh – descendant of Ranjit and rightful heir to the diamond. Befriended Queen Victoria but never once asked for it back. 8) Lord Dalhousie – Delivered the Star of India to Queen Victoria. 9) Elizabeth, Queen Mother. It is in her crown that the jewel now sits, not the Queen’s.

5) The man who painted these is seen by many art critics as the bridge between which two 20th century art movements? [Abstract Impressionism & Pop Art] What is his name? [Jasper Johns]

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R4A: Abstract Expressionism was an obstructive and elitist artistic school and exemplified the notion of ‘art for art’s sake’, or worse still, ‘art for the art world’s sake’. Painters like Willem De Kooning and Jackson Pollock knocked out wonderful looking paintings, which were completely inaccessible to the everyday viewer, creating an ivory tower in the art world.

What Jasper Johns did was use those same painterly techniques but applied them to popular images such as flags, maps and numbers – Pop Art (the phrase was first coined by a UK art critic and it grew out of the UK). He used these images rather than obscure subjects such as the painter’s emotions. Thanks to people like JJ, Peter Blake in the UK and Andy Warhol in the US (amongst many others) art galleries became an intellectual space which everyday people could engage with, without a need for dumming down.


http://www.huntfor.com/arthistory/C20th/popart.htm

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6) What colour did a notorious Jamaican rebel movement take as their identifier and name? (They were fighting against the English). [Maroon]

Their insignia, often seen on the buttons of their coats, was an [alligator] holding a [wheat sheaf] and an [olive] branch. [3 points for each and 1 bonus point for all three correct]

R4A: I just like the story of these guys and it’s cool to see how they have lent their colours to the West Indies today. Also for geographical diversity in questions.

7) Who directed the film “Raise the Red Lantern” and what is it about? [Zhiang Yimou - Wealthy Man's Concubines/class system/gender equality/jealousy etc]

R4A: This is a simply outstanding film folks. As someone who has worked in the industry please let me say that this is cinematic poise and mastery on a heavenly level. And it’s damn good political satire too. The story of a young peasant girl being introduced as a wealthy Chinese man’s 4th concubine is a direct satire of the dubious elements of governmental activities in China during the time (can’t remember when it was set). This film contains jealousy, women’s rights, misogyny, betrayal, love, politics, outstanding cinematography and so much more. Big recommendation folks.

8) From which group of people does the following myth / legend / story come from? I will accept either the specific ethnic / cultural group or the wider ‘psuedo-nation’ (not race) that they belonged to. [Algonquin/Seneca & Iroquois Nation].

R4A: On CFC we are learning much more about the Iroquios and what clever and compassionate people they were. I happen to have a book packed with Native American myths and legends. So I’ve included this to show a pagan belief being pronounced, and show how many peoples round the world did and do not choose a monotheistic system of belief, which I currently like to associate with religious wars. :p

9) Ma’sud Sa’ad was imprisoned for 18 years of his life in Ghazi or Gahzni, the capital of the first Mughal ruler's Empire - Mahmud. Which three literary traditions (languages) did his body of work help unite? [Persian, Arabic and Indian (sanskrit)]

R4A: Many reasons. a) Significance of "Exile Literature" throughout the world, see Primo Levi et al. b) Significane of poets in medieval courts around the world. They were historians, pop stars, political activists, spiritual leaders and so much more. c) To highlight the large and flamboyant literary traditions of these three cultural bases. d) To highlight how when cultures merge (in peace or war really) wonderful by products emerge see > e) Urdu and the cause of its birth. Urdu is probably one of the most beautiful languages in the whole area for writing and speaking verse and Lahore, where Mas'ud Sa'ad worked most, is a poetic Mecca of sorts.

Afghanistan c. 11th century. This was the time when the first big interaction of Persian, and Arabic languages started with the local languages of India, because of large armies of Persian speaking people flocked to Punjab [a Hindi speaking area]. A common language was needed so a proto language was born. This language when interacted with the local dialects of Delhi and surrounding areas gradually developed into modern Urdu.”


10) Who’s parents’ real life romance gives the inspiration for the book “Love in a Time of Cholera”? [Gabriel Garcia Marquez] And who wrote it? [Gabriel Garcia Marquez]

R4A: Links in with the Raise the Red Lantern question to show that men have a universal wanderlust in the loins :D. Also one of my favourite authors, championing the 'magical realist' school of literature.


11) Who wrote ‘Monkey’? [Wu Cheng ‘En in the 16th century. A kung fu comedy was made from this for TV in the 70s.] What is it about? [Whoa! Many things, see below.]

R4A: This is a massively multi-layered work of literature. On one level it is a comic legend, on another it is a damning political satire, on another still it is a religious fable, and even another it is a work of history. It initially tells of a cheeky monkey (everyday man/Wu himself/mankind in general) who defies and challenges the gods (Chinese Govt/Old religious order). The second part deals with a monk, Tripitaka, making a pilgrimage between China and India. This one book alone gives an idea about how fundamental ideas have traversed between these two Asian cultural bases. Much of this in anceint and medieval times was done not only along the silk road but also by wandering monks, like Tripitaka. Amongst other thigns, these monks were responsible for the spread of: Political systems, Buddhism, medical knowledge, languages, martial arts (see the Urumi question), political support / dissent, artistic traditions and so much more.

12) Michel Foucault wrote a book, first published in 1961 by Librairie Plon, entitled “Folie et--Deraison---“ or “Madness and --Civilisation—“. I need both the French and the English --???—for [1point]

R4A: Civilisation duh! Also to point out the original title of the book and how funny the translation really is.
:D

13) From which cultural tradition (I am looking for a religion and a modern day nation) does this painting come from?
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[(Tantric) Buddhism & Nepal]

Buddhist Monks in Nepal were like Flemish monks. Insular yet flamboyantly artistic. They blazed the trail medically, musically and artistically in general. This painting is from the 12th century. They were also the kind of people who wandered between China, Arabia, India and spread ideas around.


14) ‘Kimchi / Gimchi’ is the national dish of which nation? [South Korea, they don't eat much in the north these days :(] What is it? [Fermented Cabbage]

15) Tell me the name of the martial tradition the weapon being described below comes from and where the geographical location of that tradition. [Kalariayaputti & Kerala, India - 1] (I have of course blanked out any clues in the text):

R4A: This martial arts tradition is said to be ‘the Mother of all Martial Arts’, yet it is currently dying out and not many people know of it. For the less romantic and enthusiastic it is at least recognised as the source of knowledge for all the more famous Far Eastern traditions such as kung fu, karate and so on. The pilgrimages told in the Monkey book demonstrate how the knowledge was passed east by wandering monks.

“Around the year 520 A.D, a budhist monk called Bodhidharma arrived in China which was then ruled by Emperor Wu of the Ling dynasty. It was a time when monks travelled far and wide to teach the eight-fold path which their Lord had proclaimed braving attacks from the bandits that frequented every major caravan route. Bodhidharma wandered into China from his home in South India. He settled in Shaolin temple and began to teach Zen Buddhism and meditation. His teachings included the philosophy of peace and non-violence and he advocated the novel concept that it was perfectly possible for a man to defend himself against all attacks without using lethal weapons. As a young prince, Bodhidharma has to study the art of fighting and he had learnt to fit his new philosophy. His teachings soon spread until they covered the whole of what is now considered to be the Oriental world.”

http://ernakulam.com/kalari.htm

This thing takes your arm off if it raps around it. Same for the neck and head I would imagine! I requote: It is a dangerous weapon as it will coil round the user, if he fails to keep its correct speed, wrist-work and pose.


Imagine it!!! :eek: Now look at it!! :eek:


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16) There are five pillars of Shia Islam, often symbolised by the five fingers on a hand. For 1 point tell what those 5 pillars are.

The Usool-ul-Deen (Principles of the Religion)
• Tawhid (The Oneness of God)
• Adl (The Justice of God)
• Nubuwwah (Prophethood)
• Imamah (God-appointed Leadership of humankind)
• Qiyaamah (The Day of Judgement)


R4A: Again, true to my so called love of ‘historical revionism’ I’ve pulled this one up to help us all understand the Islamic faith better and the different branches of it. The Sunni (trodden path) and Shia (partisans of Ali) split is based on a succession dispute, with the Shia favouring Ali and the Sunnis favouring Abu Bakr.


There are also 5 fingers as Doc rightly pointed out – 1) the Prophet Muhammad 2) his cousin Ali 3) daughter Fatima 4) and grandsons Hasan and 5) Hussain. These are more commonly recognised by Shias around the world and they will refer to these if you hold your hand up and ask them what the five fingers represent. I’ve done this from Pakistan to Turkey and India to the UK and they’ve all said those people’s names. Shia response to the 5 principles/roots is therefore a little like people’s reaction to the Ten Commandments?


17) Quipu - belts of knotted ropes and strings. Each knot represented numbers, people, stocks of cattle, weapons, roads etc. http://www.incasgroup.it/?pk_pagina=44&lang=E

R4A: It was an ingenious and meticulous method of record keeping. Also to show that writing isn't a necessary landmark in achieving greatness. And these guys did make the Romans look pretty funny.
 
18) Didgeridoo

R4A: As indicated these guys were the most innovative of anceint story tellers. This whole quiz has largely been about STORIES, be those in paintings, histories, relgions, books, films etc. This is the very earliest storytelling man ever did. That's why this question is here. :)

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Torso of a standing bodhisattva. Kushan period, ca. late 1st–2nd century. (Pakistan, ancient region of Gandhara)
H. 64 1/2 in. (163.8 cm)
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Gotcha! Looks Roman or Byzantine right? I was amazed when I saw this was actually Kushan. Now check out this AMAZING timelines of history for the region:


BIG FAT RESEARCH TOOL >>>> http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/05/ssa/ht05ssa.htm

20) Mediterranean. Pistachio. Yes I know many other nuts get used but Pistachios are by far the most commonly used.

R4A: One of my favourite sweets and a fitting question to end the banquet on I thought!


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Thank you to all who took part. I'll happily share more info on any of the above if you want to ask on PM or here.

I hand you over to Plotinus :hatsoff:
 
Yayy! Well, as previously discussed ad nauseam, I shall start a thread for quizzes along these lines that you are allowed to research. I think the person who got the most on this quiz *without* researching should do the next one here, so perhaps Rambuchan should pronounce on that. In the meantime look out for the new thread. It may take a day or two, of course...
 
R4A: This is a simply outstanding film folks. As someone who has worked in the industry please let me say that this is cinematic poise and mastery on a heavenly level. And it’s damn good political satire too. The story of a young peasant girl being introduced as a wealthy Chinese man’s 4th concubine is a direct satire of the dubious elements of governmental activities in China during the time (can’t remember when it was set). This film contains jealousy, women’s rights, misogyny, betrayal, love, politics, outstanding cinematography and so much more. Big recommendation folks.
"A certain Norwegian with an obvious interest in socialism and labor problems" can fully back you up on this one. It is indeed a very good film.
I think it is set in the 1920's, by the way.

8) From which group of people does the following myth / legend / story come from? I will accept either the specific ethnic / cultural group or the wider ‘psuedo-nation’ (not race) that they belonged to. [Algonquin/Seneca & Iroquois Nation].

R4A: On CFC we are learning much more about the Iroquios and what clever and compassionate people they were. I happen to have a book packed with Native American myths and legends. So I’ve included this to show a pagan belief being pronounced, and show how many peoples round the world did and do not choose a monotheistic system of belief, which I currently like to associate with religious wars. :p
"Thanks" for reminding me that I seemingly commited myself to a survey of the Iroqouis influence of the US democracy. :crazyeye: It will hopefully come in due time. I fully share your verdict of this remarkable people.

12) Michel Foucault wrote a book, first published in 1961 by Librairie Plon, entitled “Folie et--Deraison---“ or “Madness and --Civilisation—“. I need both the French and the English --???—for [1point]

R4A: Civilisation duh! Also to point out the original title of the book and how funny the translation really is.
:D
I guess this can't have been too difficult since I had a picture quiz on the general history thread where the solution was ...Foucault! :lol:

As for the rest, truly an inspiring, educational and artistic quiz! :goodjob: :thumbsup: My apologies for not participating but I got a sudden throat infection and grew lazy. But next time, watch out!
 
Well folks. Hope you enjoyed. :)

Plotinus was indeed the winner by the terms set out. I look forward to taking part in the new quiz thread Plot. :thumbsup:


As he rightly points out, the discussion seemed to conclude that this thread's quiz would be taken up by the person who scored the most points without researching.

That person was Redtooth, whose 19 points beat YNCS's 17.

Step forward please Redtooth.
 
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