Current Civ and Leader Abilities Elimination Thread.

[LethalLeigh]

Amrunril - looks like you deleted Kongo a little too early

 

[Amrunril]

Amrunril - looks like you deleted Kongo a little too early

Good catch, it's fixed now.

 

[LuckyAC]

America =15
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 19 (22 - 3) Too overpowered, and forces you into too narrow a way of playing - you have to run worker boost policies and use your most productive cities to churn out workers, and you can NEVER self-build a district in a less productive city, so your choices are very limited.
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 20
England 13 (12 + 1) Well balanced (useful but not game-distorting) and well themed, both encouraging a somewhat unique play style and appropriate historically
France 12
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 11
Japan 15
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 16
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 8
Sumeria 22

 

[Orange1861]

America =15
Arabia 22
Australia 21
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 21 (20 + 1) Makes hoards of money in the early game.
England 13
France 12
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 11
Japan 12 (15 - 3) Pretty weak bonuses.
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 16
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 8
Sumeria 22

 

[Mat86rix]

America =15
Arabia 22
Australia 22 ( 21 +1 ) love the housing
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 21
England 13
France 12
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 8 ( 11 - 3 ) very poor
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 16
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 8
Sumeria 22

 

[Siptah]

America =12 (15-3) The founding fathers ability is the passive ability of a generic passive ability. It's so passive that I don't even notice it. Yes, it probably is not that bad. But it's the most boring ability in the game.
Arabia 23 (22+1) strong and interesting to play. What do you want more?
Australia 22
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 21
England 13
France 12
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 8
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 16
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 8
Sumeria 22

 

[Felis Renidens]

America =12
Arabia 23
Australia 22
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 21
England 13
France 12
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 8
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 17 - 16+1 - Don't mess with the SPQR all those free roads and monuments don't cheer your hearts?
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 5 - 8-3 Why are you still here, Pedro? Die already, please?
Sumeria 22

 

[Kimiimaro]

America =12
Arabia 23
Australia 22
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 21
England 13
France 12+1=13 - I'm buying France another "life". Seriously, this is overhated. Doubled tourism bonus on wonders is good, and it's even better when you have bonus production on wonders of three eras! Catherine's flying squadron may be useful to find out hidden agendas of leaders earlier.
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India 8
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 17-3=14 - For me, free roads are pointless and Trajan's columns are decent at best. I see it as weak civ. And also - what victory is good for them? What bonuses they have towards at least one victory? I don't see any.
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 5
Sumeria 22

 

[Guandao]

America =12
Arabia 23
Australia (22+1)=23 Land Down Under is a good ability (more housing in Coastal cities, grabbing land with pastures, yields in districts with Charming or Breathtaking), If the player could get the AI to declare war on them, they get a boost in production. Also, by liberating City-States.
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 21
England 13
France 13
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 18
India (8-3)=5 Dharma is mediocre, same with Satyagraha, but I guess you can conquer other Civs this way...
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 14
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 5
Sumeria 22

 

[Manifold]

America =13 (12+1) I like Founding Fathers
Arabia 23
Australia 23
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 21
England 13
France 13
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 15 (18-3) did still not fit to Sparta
India 5
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 14
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 5
Sumeria 22

 

[Amrunril]

America =13
Arabia 23
Australia 24 (23 + 1) Either part of the UA would be a decent ability on its own, and the importance of production makes the Outback Station the game's strongest unique improvement.
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 21
England 13
France 10 (13 - 3) The lack of early game bonuses means that other civs will have a head start on the mid game wonders this civ is supposed to revolve around.
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 15
India 5
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 14
Russia 22
Scythia 23
Spain 5
Sumeria 22

 

[The googles do nothing]

America =13
Arabia 23
Australia 24
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 21
England 14 (13 + 1) There bonus are great on Continents maps, which are the funnest, right?
France 10
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 15
India 5
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 14
Russia 19 (22 - 3) The most annoying AI civ. They send hordes of missionaries, the grab up the cultural great people and uses them as scouts, and they use up a bunch of map space.
Scythia 23
Spain 5
Sumeria 22

 

[Orange1861]

America =13
Arabia 23
Australia 24
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 22
Egypt 21
England 11 (14 - 3) Bonuses are weak, their harbor is really good but nothing else is important.
France 10
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 15
India 5
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 14
Russia 19
Scythia 23
Spain 5
Sumeria 23 (22 + 1) A monster in the early game, two war carts can capture early game cities and zigguarts gave you an early tech boost.

 

[helic0n]

America =13
Arabia 23
Australia 24
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 22 - 3 = 19 (nice production bonus for wonders you don't really want)
Egypt 21
England 11
France 10 + 1 = 11 (nice production bonus for wonders you actually want)
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 15
India 5
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 14
Russia 19
Scythia 23
Spain 5
Sumeria 23

 

[Kimiimaro]

America =13
Arabia 23
Australia 24
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 19
Egypt 21
England 11
France 11+1=12 - France is underrated. Wonder tourism itself is somewhat weak, but doubled wonder tourism can be pretty good help towards culture victory. And especially when you'll build a lot of wonders thanks to the bonus production on wonders of three eras.
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21
Greece - Sparta 15
India 5
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 14-3=11 - Rome is overrated. Free roads are weak, Trajan's columns are weak. Doesn't have any bonuses that could help you towards any victory.
Russia 19
Scythia 23
Spain 5
Sumeria 23

 

[Morningcalm]

America =13
Arabia 23
Australia 24
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 19
Egypt 21
England 11
France 12
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21.
Greece - Sparta 15 + 1 = 16 (Much better bonuses than Athens)
India 5
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 11
Russia 19
Scythia 23
Spain 5 - 3 = 2 (Weak and situational. A shame, given how well thematized their bonuses are)
Sumeria 23

 

[Orange1861]

America =13
Arabia 23
Australia 24
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 19
Egypt 21
England 11
France 12
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21 - 3 = 18 (Weak bonus except in the late-game; AI are too quick to seize suzerain off you at any given time, or kill your city-state allies. Sparta's culture bonus is far greater, and not just because it packs a huge punch early).
Greece - Sparta 15
India 5
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 11
Russia 19
Scythia 23
Spain 5 - 3 = 2 (Weak and situational. A shame, given how well thematized their bonuses are)
Sumeria 23

Um, you are supposed to minus 3 and plus one to two civs respectively, not minus two civs.

 

[Morningcalm]

Um, you are supposed to minus 3 and plus one to two civs respectively, not minus two civs.

Long day at work; sorry for the error. Corrected my post.

 

[Orange1861]

Long day at work; sorry for the error. Corrected my post.

No problem at all.

 

[Guandao]

America =13
Arabia 23
Australia 24
Aztec 19
Brazil 17
China 19
Egypt 21
England 11
France 12
Germany 24
Greece - Athens 21.
Greece - Sparta 16
India 5
Japan 12
Kongo 19
Macedon 21
Persia 20
Poland 17
Rome 11
Russia 19
Scythia (23+1)=24 I dislike this Civ, but its Abilities are powerful in capable hands...
Spain (2-3)=0 Deserves to go now
Sumeria 23