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Current (SVN) development discussion thread

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall - Dawn of Civilization' started by Leoreth, Sep 20, 2011.

  1. Leoreth

    Leoreth Space Ranger Moderator

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    Sorry about that, fix is committed.
     
  2. strijder20

    strijder20 Wallowing in irony

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    Leoreth, do you have to have Zoroastrianism as a state religion to construct Fire Temples?
    If so, could you make that a little more clear please in the Civilopedia? It's a bit annoying to spread Zoroastrianism to 12 cities and build temples in it and then discovers you can't build the cathedrals :p
     
  3. Leoreth

    Leoreth Space Ranger Moderator

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    According to the XML they don't, though.
     
  4. strijder20

    strijder20 Wallowing in irony

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    Well, look: in this save I have about 10 Zoroastrian temples, but can't build Fire Temples anywhere.
    Oh, and why does the AI refuse to trade away furs and dyes (corporation resources) with the red text: 'Surely you must be joking' while sheep can be traded?
     

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  5. Fresol

    Fresol Angry Halfling in Green

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    Any pictures? If they don't have Textile Industry corporation they'll be willing to trade them, otherwise not.
     
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    strijder20 Wallowing in irony

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    Ooo, I thought they were always willing to trade it if you have Textile Industry. America indeed has Textile Industry, Germany does not. Thanks!
     
  7. Fresol

    Fresol Angry Halfling in Green

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    Meanwhile I don't understand why you can't build Zoroastrian Cathedrals, the XML file seems to be fine. :confused:
     
  8. strijder20

    strijder20 Wallowing in irony

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    In the save I posted about four posts ago, I'm not able to build any.
     
  9. Fresol

    Fresol Angry Halfling in Green

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    Yes I checked your save. In my memory I've never built a Zoroastrian Fire temple before. Since you don't even have the option to build it (no ?/? temples needed screen) I suspect there's something wrong with the code. But in Civilopedia and the XML file it looks fine, I can't find the mistake. (I suspect Fire temple is not enabled by Music or something, but I don't know how to confirm it, it doesn't seem to show up in the XML file?)

    A picture of what the problem looks like:
    Spoiler :

    Notice you don't have to option to build Zoroastrian Fire temple, unlike Protestant Cathedral.
     
  10. iOnlySignIn

    iOnlySignIn Prince$s

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    Furs and Dyes are Happiness Resources while Sheep is a Health Resource. Health Resources are valued less highly by the AI than Happiness Resources and have lower attitude thresholds for their willingness to trade.

    So try improving your relations (and make sure you have Happiness Resources that the AI want) to see if the same still happens.
     
  11. King Coltrane

    King Coltrane Chieftain

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    I played a French UHV game today with the most recent SVN and it was really good!

    some thoughts:

    UHV1) too easy. 20,000 culture is way too easy for the french. I had 20,000 around 1600 AD. 30,000 would be a real challenge! but maybe 25,000 would be a good compromise.

    UHV2) this was really tough, but in a good way! I got rifling as fast as i could so i could start my european domination. germany came at me before i was ready, but i hid behind my walls long enough to build a counter-force with which i took most of germany. they collapsed rather than vassalizing, but i knew what the future held, so i was ok with it. i then started my war with spain (who had conquered portugal) in 1695. I brought my cav. rifles and heavy cannons down hard, but discovered that their conquistador's get defensive bonuses, making everything a bit harder. anyway, i took all of iberia and they still wouldnt vassalize! so i accepted north africa and a peace treaty. they soon after collapsed... oh well.

    Next up was Prussia, who had a DP with Turkey. it was about this time i realized that TURKEY WAS A BEAST! they got all 3 conquerors and retained the huge culture from the native cities! anyway, I managed to peace vassalize iran and egypt (and had the vikings before) and started my great war with a huge civic switch to republic and occupation and others (NAPOLEON!) I capitulated prussia pretty quickly and then had to blitz through the balkans and mexico to get both 50% goals. i managed to succeed in capitulating turkey as well as taking a few cities in each region to get past the necessary percentage. it was exciting!

    HOWEVER the goal never checked. i got to 1817 i think and it still said not yet. i think this needs to be fixed.

    UHV3) standard as always. fun, but easy. and nice synergy with the first UHV also. Well done!

    so again, the check for UHV needs to be examined/fixed. otherwise it was all very fun. And england was a teching beast!
     
  12. Tomorrow's Dawn

    Tomorrow's Dawn Heroes Never Die

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    24,000 would be better. We want the number to be divisible by GAs.

    You never gunned for England? I realize it's not part of the checklist but still,
    You have to realize Napoleon's ambition. ;)
    It would have helped with your England problem as well.
    I keep saying this, but if you're playing a civ that has direct access to a problem power, of course they're not going to be an issue, but it's when you're playing a civ
    that can't do anything about it (Japan, Aztecs, Ethiopia, etc.) it's a problem.
     
  13. King Coltrane

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    fair enough with the 24000.

    as for england, i was perfectly happy to let them tech and trade with me and i had a defense pact with them since around 1600. they provided me cotton (from india) WAY before any other sources were available. they were actually a great ally against spain, prussia, and turkey, providing naval patrols and city bombardment ahead of my ground forces.

    sometimes you dont need to control an adversary to gain maximum benefit.
     
  14. NerfCothons

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    I like these UU suggestions. As far as the history is concerned, at least through the lens of the second punic war, it seems like a cavalry unit would be most appropriate. In every one of Hannibal's major battles the Roman infantry was vastly superior to his ragtag infantry but superior cavalry and flanking maneuvers, or on some occasions surprise attacks from his small elite infantry corp, were the sluggish Legions' undoing. On the other hand, he was never able to muster the strength to take on Rome directly, so perhaps your elimination of the city attack bonus is appropriate.

    From a gameplay perspective, I feel like Phoenicia needs a counter to the free legions. Mercanaries might be the way to do it. Perhaps adding Numidian Cavs to a merc pool that can only be accessed from North Africa as a counter to Legions will help. Mercs are unreliable and often have ridiculous costs associated with ridiculous promotions. Combining an amphibious sacred band unit with an interesting and effective mercenary force could make taking on the zounds of free Roman Legions both interesting and doable.

    Another thought, Elephants as a siege weapon, give them collateral damage.
     
  15. King Coltrane

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    i dont like how focused people get on the carthaginian elephants. they didnt really do anything (As most died en route) and other armies (makedon, seleukia, ptolemy, porus, maurya, etc) used them to better effect.

    i still stick by my Sacred Band UU, but we could also give numidian cav. flanking against swords/axes. might be too much, but i never understood why cav. archers didnt have this (rather than flanking against siege) in the first place.

    (also if this was done, it should not be instead of the Sacred Band)
     
  16. Leoreth

    Leoreth Space Ranger Moderator

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    Okay, 20k was a first guess, and I haven't finished my own test game yet. Will become harder.

    That's great, I'll look at the check.
     
  17. strijder20

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    Not sure if this is the thread to post it, but the Dutch name for Stra(ringel-S)burg should be Straatsburg, and the Dutch name for Frankfort should be Frankfurt.
     
  18. iOnlySignIn

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    Agreed. 3rd Carthaginian UHV should be to collapse/conquer/vassalize/raze Rome by 145 BC (3rd Punic War).

    IMO any sort of "largest map" UHV is pointless and boring since the map is (mostly) fixed and known to the player.
     
  19. Leoreth

    Leoreth Space Ranger Moderator

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    The "Ringel-S" (ß) is called sharp s, by the way (the usual way to transcribe it is ss). Suggestions noted.
     
  20. Acmeandco

    Acmeandco Tactician

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    In the loading screen it specifies that "Colonize" means to found a certain number of cities and not conquer. However, the British victory condition says colonize, but conquering suffices.
     

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