Current (SVN) development discussion thread
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soul-breathing
Emperor
you can do it in the newest SVN,200 golds per settler
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It could be different techs for them (Spain and Portugal have their exception already, too). I don't think Russia really needs this, and for Germany the typical colonies would be more of a burden and distraction. Japan is usually rather powerful, but not too interested in landing in continental Asia unless it's collapsed to independents.
I agree that America needs this. At least the AI, and imo the appropriate tech to trigger it is Railroad.
They should get one (SVN at least, iirc the 1.8 release had a bug that usually prevented it). Did that happen to you or the AI? The player shouldn't get the military option for the Philippines as they're usually not settled, but the colonist option should work and give you a settler.
I'm not playing the SVN, but the official 1.8 doesn't include a settler for the AI nor for the player. Plus France usually doesn't get units to conquer French Vietnam, they get units mainly in India.
But I see this problem is solved already, sorry if I'm subverting already settled problems.
But I see this problem is solved already, sorry if I'm subverting already settled problems.
Railroad would be very fitting indeed, both historically and gameplay-wise. Would the human player really need it though ?
On the other hand, it wouldn't look very good if there was some English or French territory between the west and east coast. Or is there a second wave of "spawn" which would give those remaining cities to America in the 19th century ?
On the other hand, it wouldn't look very good if there was some English or French territory between the west and east coast. Or is there a second wave of "spawn" which would give those remaining cities to America in the 19th century ?
iOnlySignIn
Prince$s
America can and needs to be buffed in multiple ways:
(1) Minutemen: Riflemen with March, upgrades into Infantry/Marines/Mech Infantry. Represents the 2nd Amendment.
(2) Mall provides more Happiness.
- The Mall in BTS was balanced for every civ starting at the same time. In RFC America lacks Happiness due to its unique lack of Religions.
- 2 of 3 American leaders in BTS are Charismatic. That gives free Happiness.
- America's UP in RFC gives it Happiness problems.
(3) UP's immigrants bring foreign Religions. This will also help with Happiness.
(4) Better GP rate/Tech rate/starting tech/foreign relations (for tech trade).
- With the recent Representation nerf, American tech rate is more abysmal than ever and SoL don't help as much anymore.
- America is unlike other modern civs, who can and should emphasize/beeline one tech (England = Mass Media, Russia = Electricity, Germany = Industrialism, France = Radio, Japan = Assembly Line). America needs to fast tech Assembly Line, Industrialism, Mass Media, Combustion, Refrigeration, Plastics, all AT THE SAME TIME, because of their UU, UB, and UHVs. And that is the bare minimum essentials. To be even half decent you also need to be among the first to Electricity, Radio, Fascism, Flight, and even Computers.
- Unlike in BTS, America is really crippled in terms of espionage because of their late start. You won't have Espionage advantage unless you beeline Communism, which will make you fail UHVs on Emperor, and which is the opposite of what the American civ (with its UB and UHV) is designed for (i.e. Free Market Capitalism).
- Current tech rate is so slow that by the time you acquire all the essential techs of this civ the game is usually long over.
In particular I feel America needs to have a hidden buff with foreign civs in terms of tech trading. That is the only way they can keep tech parity on Emperor IMO, because it's impossible for them to beeline everything (an oxymoron in itself).
(5) Less revolts in captured European colonies & make Sistine Chapel only work for cities on the same continent. Currently the only way America can go forward is to collapse every colonial civ who has good cities in North America. Otherwise the revolts alone would mean you'll stagnate in the 18th century.
(1) Minutemen: Riflemen with March, upgrades into Infantry/Marines/Mech Infantry. Represents the 2nd Amendment.
(2) Mall provides more Happiness.
- The Mall in BTS was balanced for every civ starting at the same time. In RFC America lacks Happiness due to its unique lack of Religions.
- 2 of 3 American leaders in BTS are Charismatic. That gives free Happiness.
- America's UP in RFC gives it Happiness problems.
(3) UP's immigrants bring foreign Religions. This will also help with Happiness.
(4) Better GP rate/Tech rate/starting tech/foreign relations (for tech trade).
- With the recent Representation nerf, American tech rate is more abysmal than ever and SoL don't help as much anymore.
- America is unlike other modern civs, who can and should emphasize/beeline one tech (England = Mass Media, Russia = Electricity, Germany = Industrialism, France = Radio, Japan = Assembly Line). America needs to fast tech Assembly Line, Industrialism, Mass Media, Combustion, Refrigeration, Plastics, all AT THE SAME TIME, because of their UU, UB, and UHVs. And that is the bare minimum essentials. To be even half decent you also need to be among the first to Electricity, Radio, Fascism, Flight, and even Computers.
- Unlike in BTS, America is really crippled in terms of espionage because of their late start. You won't have Espionage advantage unless you beeline Communism, which will make you fail UHVs on Emperor, and which is the opposite of what the American civ (with its UB and UHV) is designed for (i.e. Free Market Capitalism).
- Current tech rate is so slow that by the time you acquire all the essential techs of this civ the game is usually long over.
In particular I feel America needs to have a hidden buff with foreign civs in terms of tech trading. That is the only way they can keep tech parity on Emperor IMO, because it's impossible for them to beeline everything (an oxymoron in itself).
(5) Less revolts in captured European colonies & make Sistine Chapel only work for cities on the same continent. Currently the only way America can go forward is to collapse every colonial civ who has good cities in North America. Otherwise the revolts alone would mean you'll stagnate in the 18th century.
kieranjtaylor
Chieftain
playing as India i noticed there start date has been made more historical as the original 3000 B.C. is out with harrapan culture taking root 500 years after this and only lasting to 1750 B.C. never mind the ayrians but this is making me think why is china on so early?
under the Shang it is widely regarded as the start of a civilized state in china which happens at a later 1600-1800 B.C.
also its state was built upon its mastery of bronze and chariots (like so many others) so bronze should be available in the yellow river area rather than just the south which encouraged settling the southern interior far too early.
chang'an is on a tributary of the yellow river and should be put on the map, from the city east to meet the yellow river which should help Chang'an (the worlds largest city several times over thousands of years)
p.s. playing as india was fun in its new date although ultimately doomed with mughal and Brits would of been cool to switch to mughals,
i had noticed in another game Britain had east India and the mughals as vassal who in turn had India as vassal made me think of the princely states in the British raj
under the Shang it is widely regarded as the start of a civilized state in china which happens at a later 1600-1800 B.C.
also its state was built upon its mastery of bronze and chariots (like so many others) so bronze should be available in the yellow river area rather than just the south which encouraged settling the southern interior far too early.
chang'an is on a tributary of the yellow river and should be put on the map, from the city east to meet the yellow river which should help Chang'an (the worlds largest city several times over thousands of years)
p.s. playing as india was fun in its new date although ultimately doomed with mughal and Brits would of been cool to switch to mughals,
i had noticed in another game Britain had east India and the mughals as vassal who in turn had India as vassal made me think of the princely states in the British raj
strijder20
Wallowing in irony
I'm not sure about this, but in case the independents don't count for conquest wins then you can just warrior rush Egypt/Babylon and win a super early conquest win with only 2 civs in the game.
kieranjtaylor
Chieftain
i hadn't thought of that. but i could not imagine the AI pulling it off, if a human is that desperate to win then he would probably prefer cheating anyway.
Yeah, that's part of the reason. Another is that China is finetuned for the amount of time it currently has (for India on the other hand their early start was more of a problem which made the change unproblematic).
Fresol
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1) 3 Islamic Mosques by 1500 AD
2) 50000 culture in 1660 AD
3) 15% of world population in 1750 AD
You can't found it on your own. It's founded either by an eastern Catholic civ when someone builds the Apostolic Palace, or is triggered at some point between the 9th and 11th century. And thanks for the observations.
kieranjtaylor
Chieftain
always felt that (until recent developments) that the feel of the game suffered a little without the Prussians who have a massive role in history as it did without the Holy Romans, the original never felt right as the Germans.
i also would play synthesis if i was ever Byzantium or Russia as it just seemed wrong without the opportunity as orthodox.
having the Mughals unplayable was just too teasing so great work
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looking at the Mughals UHV i was surprised not to see a trade/wealth goal as the Mughals were possibly the richest single dynasty to have ever existed.
looking forward to a new game
i also would play synthesis if i was ever Byzantium or Russia as it just seemed wrong without the opportunity as orthodox.
having the Mughals unplayable was just too teasing so great work
.looking at the Mughals UHV i was surprised not to see a trade/wealth goal as the Mughals were possibly the richest single dynasty to have ever existed.
looking forward to a new game
The current goals are not set in stone at all, especially the third one could be easily replaced I guess. How would you represent the Mughal wealth as a goal?
By the way, while I think a culture goal is appropriate for the Mughals, it doesn't have to be the total culture one they currently have.
By the way, while I think a culture goal is appropriate for the Mughals, it doesn't have to be the total culture one they currently have.
kieranjtaylor
Chieftain
yeah all 3 current are quite appropriate too and it can be argued the wealth was spent on grand architecture, so a accumulate gold goal would not feel right and culture would still represent wealth for the Mughals now i think about it, but maybe as mosques should be built to achieve this maybe that goal could be changed to a trade oriented goal?
they are a few open border/secure resources already so just a quick thought of the top of my head, is it possible to have a goal were you need to trade out "x" amount of resources or "x" amount of specific resources aswell as trade in the same amount (otherwise you could just give them away) maybe limit trade to 1 state counts for 1 in either direction so you cant just dish them out all to one vassal or friend? not sure if it is possible but could make for a different type of goal.
p.s. i like the UP just starting a game now with them
they are a few open border/secure resources already so just a quick thought of the top of my head, is it possible to have a goal were you need to trade out "x" amount of resources or "x" amount of specific resources aswell as trade in the same amount (otherwise you could just give them away) maybe limit trade to 1 state counts for 1 in either direction so you cant just dish them out all to one vassal or friend? not sure if it is possible but could make for a different type of goal.
p.s. i like the UP just starting a game now with them
