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I presume that revisions with a plus next to it are the revisions you switched to?
Also, Iranian vassals are still called "Satrapy of X."
Current (SVN) development discussion thread
- Thread starter Leoreth
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I presume that revisions with a plus next to it are the revisions you switched to?
Also, Iranian vassals are still called "Satrapy of X."
Chep
Emperor
Is there a reason why Istanbul/Constantinople is not "Core Area" for the Ottomans in the 1700AD-scenario? (from what I remember it is core for them in the 600AD-scenario after conquering the city)
Is it to cause them to collapse as they're incredibly overextended?
I also think that their tech rate (again 1700AD-scenario so only concerning industrial & later eras) is too high. They have the Spiral Minarett, 3 shrines (Orthodoxy, Catholicism and Islam) and can research at 100% while accumulating a decent surplus.
(Maybe removing the Spiral Minarett from the 1700AD-scenario would slow their research to more "realistic" values?)
Currently they're usually one of the 3 top-researchers with Russia and Prussia.
Also:
Would it be possible to make the whole Japanese "mainland" core (from 1700AD onwards at least?)?
Currently Japan can only place 2 big (Kyoto & Edo/Tokyo) and 1 tiny (the one on the gold) cities in it's core. So if there were another food resource in/around the northern part of Japan to appear after 1600/1700AD only that would help settling the whole island.
Finally:
These city-flips/rebirths are really, really annoying -.-
I just declared war on the Mughals as the Ottomans in 1750 (1700AD-scenario) and they collapsed giving the English all their cities and units for free.
Even more extreme was the case of Mexico:
I declared war on Mexico as Brazil, again causing them to collapse - which somehow triggered a rebirth of the previously non-existant Spanish Empire with modern technologies and lots of old & new units which got all Mexican cities and I was forced to wait 10 more turns before attacking.
Please think about letting rebirths only affect a civs core (not also it's historic territories) and please, please find a way to let cities, that the human player is about to conquer when a civ collapses, out of the "flips to civ with bogus claim on these lands"-mechanism.
Is it to cause them to collapse as they're incredibly overextended?
I also think that their tech rate (again 1700AD-scenario so only concerning industrial & later eras) is too high. They have the Spiral Minarett, 3 shrines (Orthodoxy, Catholicism and Islam) and can research at 100% while accumulating a decent surplus.
(Maybe removing the Spiral Minarett from the 1700AD-scenario would slow their research to more "realistic" values?)
Currently they're usually one of the 3 top-researchers with Russia and Prussia.
Also:
Would it be possible to make the whole Japanese "mainland" core (from 1700AD onwards at least?)?
Currently Japan can only place 2 big (Kyoto & Edo/Tokyo) and 1 tiny (the one on the gold) cities in it's core. So if there were another food resource in/around the northern part of Japan to appear after 1600/1700AD only that would help settling the whole island.
Finally:
These city-flips/rebirths are really, really annoying -.-
I just declared war on the Mughals as the Ottomans in 1750 (1700AD-scenario) and they collapsed giving the English all their cities and units for free.
Even more extreme was the case of Mexico:
I declared war on Mexico as Brazil, again causing them to collapse - which somehow triggered a rebirth of the previously non-existant Spanish Empire with modern technologies and lots of old & new units which got all Mexican cities and I was forced to wait 10 more turns before attacking.
Please think about letting rebirths only affect a civs core (not also it's historic territories) and please, please find a way to let cities, that the human player is about to conquer when a civ collapses, out of the "flips to civ with bogus claim on these lands"-mechanism.
Nope, it's an oversight.
DC123456789
Deity
This. Civs should only be able to respawn out of their core. I also think that cities flip to other civs a bit too often at the moment.
I'll think the extent of the rebirth mechanism over. Currently you get a claim on a city if it was previously owned by you, maybe that is too much when thinking of colonial empires and shouldn't count for overseas empires.
It's very hard to determine when a city is "about to be conquered", though. However, I think the war stability mechanism is currently too harsh on civs that are losing a war and I already have plans to change that, so enemies should not collapse under your hands that easily anymore.
It's very hard to determine when a city is "about to be conquered", though. However, I think the war stability mechanism is currently too harsh on civs that are losing a war and I already have plans to change that, so enemies should not collapse under your hands that easily anymore.
It should be changed, really. And there should be guerilla warfare too -- units that has lower strength than normal riflemen or infantry, is invisible within their cultural border or core area (may be revealed by spies), and can do ranged strike against enemy units, up to 20-30%. Enabled by nationalism, this will bring more resistance against evil empires like us.
Daedwartin
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yeah....for some reason, as Italy, i went on a med conquering spree. with riflemen, when only i had them. i had been at -7 stability when i started.
85% of the med later, i own Mesopotamia, Arabia, Ethiopia, Egypt, Somalia, north Africa(minus the moors, who i plan to nom next), France, The British Isles(by this point, i declared I'm reforming the roman empire. just need to nom Spain...who has a large overseas empire), and Amsterdam( the dutch having moved their capital to South Africa.) I have as vassals Thailand, Portugal, Poland.
Stability: -7. it refused to even budge. once.
Current powers are
Me as the italian republic, with the three vassals and a massive empire. strongest civ
United Mongolia. wants to over at just stable enough to be unstable, but not collapse apart. a tiny independent china exists, unvassaled, in Shanghai. Has defensive pact with me. second strongest civ
Murghal Empire. it survived to the fact that britain was only a bit more advanced than them...and now britain shall trouble them never again. has iran as vassal. also DP with me. 3rd Strongest civ.
Kingdom of Spain, with a colonial empire, and with no britain or france to oppose them, it's going to stay for a long time. Japan is their only vassal. why japan? no clue. 4th strongest, but lagging behind in tech. i could easily conquer their core, as they still have musketmen.
Russia, at fitfh strongest, are more advanced than spain, but have the issue of the effects of mongolia still preventing them from being at their strongest. they have the greatest ability to suddenly explode into a true competitor. but doing so means war with Mongolia. which means war with me.
Minors are Independent Aztec and Inca(both managed to not be eaten and vassaled by the european powers), Middle Kingdom of Shanghai, Norse Union(reformed when the British collapsed), The HRE(about to be even more minor in 3-5 turns. it's 1691, meaning prussian spawn. I also intend to eat buda and Wein. which will destroy them.), The Dutch, who have no homeland anymore. will be vassals soon. Portugol is strong enough to be stronger then all the nations mentioned here right now. It's just im that much stronger.
and despite all that
-7 stability, for the last 3 centuries.
-4 from religious disunity(im secular)
-4 from non-matching civics( republic, egalitarianism, capitalism, free market, secularism, and standing army...i call BS on that)
-7 from losing wars(...i just conquered north afrcia, greece, arabia, the fertile crescent, eithopia, somalia, france, great britian, Amsterdam, and ireland, And im losing wars?
-2 from poor relations. makes sense. im not exactly popular.
+10 from economy.
0 from expansion(i do have a very large core and historical population. that said, it might change soon. England had a very large population)
85% of the med later, i own Mesopotamia, Arabia, Ethiopia, Egypt, Somalia, north Africa(minus the moors, who i plan to nom next), France, The British Isles(by this point, i declared I'm reforming the roman empire. just need to nom Spain...who has a large overseas empire), and Amsterdam( the dutch having moved their capital to South Africa.) I have as vassals Thailand, Portugal, Poland.
Stability: -7. it refused to even budge. once.
Current powers are
Me as the italian republic, with the three vassals and a massive empire. strongest civ
United Mongolia. wants to over at just stable enough to be unstable, but not collapse apart. a tiny independent china exists, unvassaled, in Shanghai. Has defensive pact with me. second strongest civ
Murghal Empire. it survived to the fact that britain was only a bit more advanced than them...and now britain shall trouble them never again. has iran as vassal. also DP with me. 3rd Strongest civ.
Kingdom of Spain, with a colonial empire, and with no britain or france to oppose them, it's going to stay for a long time. Japan is their only vassal. why japan? no clue. 4th strongest, but lagging behind in tech. i could easily conquer their core, as they still have musketmen.
Russia, at fitfh strongest, are more advanced than spain, but have the issue of the effects of mongolia still preventing them from being at their strongest. they have the greatest ability to suddenly explode into a true competitor. but doing so means war with Mongolia. which means war with me.
Minors are Independent Aztec and Inca(both managed to not be eaten and vassaled by the european powers), Middle Kingdom of Shanghai, Norse Union(reformed when the British collapsed), The HRE(about to be even more minor in 3-5 turns. it's 1691, meaning prussian spawn. I also intend to eat buda and Wein. which will destroy them.), The Dutch, who have no homeland anymore. will be vassals soon. Portugol is strong enough to be stronger then all the nations mentioned here right now. It's just im that much stronger.
and despite all that
-7 stability, for the last 3 centuries.
-4 from religious disunity(im secular)
-4 from non-matching civics( republic, egalitarianism, capitalism, free market, secularism, and standing army...i call BS on that)
-7 from losing wars(...i just conquered north afrcia, greece, arabia, the fertile crescent, eithopia, somalia, france, great britian, Amsterdam, and ireland, And im losing wars?
-2 from poor relations. makes sense. im not exactly popular.
+10 from economy.
0 from expansion(i do have a very large core and historical population. that said, it might change soon. England had a very large population)
Chep
Emperor
what are the Indonesian UU good for?
At first I thought "neat, an early privateer!" but their only feature seems to be that they can enter an enemies territory without open borders (which you usually get as Indonesian).
At first I thought "neat, an early privateer!" but their only feature seems to be that they can enter an enemies territory without open borders (which you usually get as Indonesian).
By the way, why trading company is only available for western Europeans? Can others get its corp benefit too? Shall we allow more alternate history possibility, other than destroy Amsterdam before the Dutch build TC as Indonisians?
New commit:
- added a notification for available slave trades
- adjusted Cannon costs (now more expensive than Bombards)
- fixed expansion stability calculation (all core cities erroneously added a base value of ten)
- added a notification for available slave trades
- adjusted Cannon costs (now more expensive than Bombards)
- fixed expansion stability calculation (all core cities erroneously added a base value of ten)
Chep
Emperor
Nice!
The slave notification works....somewhat:
Concerning the core-pop: Hah! I knew there was something wrong, however I wouldn't have guessed that
What does the "80%-rule" mean? If you have less than 21% of a cities culture you don't get it via flip?
The slave notification works....somewhat:
Concerning the core-pop: Hah! I knew there was something wrong, however I wouldn't have guessed that
What does the "80%-rule" mean? If you have less than 21% of a cities culture you don't get it via flip?
I should probably also commit the text keys *flustered anime character noises* But nice to know the notification is triggered.
The 80% rule means that you need 80% culture to take control over a tile in someone's core. Previously this didn't apply to cities for some reason (there was code by Rhye in the mechanic whose purpose I didn't fully understand ... so I just removed it).
The 80% rule means that you need 80% culture to take control over a tile in someone's core. Previously this didn't apply to cities for some reason (there was code by Rhye in the mechanic whose purpose I didn't fully understand ... so I just removed it).
Chep
Emperor
Ah, right. That thing. I thought it was connected to the collapse-flips.
The slave-notifier seems to be unreliable, I'll try to narrow it download. Also, but this is really minor, the display-text for whipping offen is 5 turns off. I think it has to do with rounding somehow
The slave-notifier seems to be unreliable, I'll try to narrow it download. Also, but this is really minor, the display-text for whipping offen is 5 turns off. I think it has to do with rounding somehow
Status report: I've just started merging in the BUG DLL. What I've seen so far suggests that it will be easy, so expect it in a few days.
Just so you know that I can't deal with anything else at the moment because my working repository will be unplayable until I'm done.
Just so you know that I can't deal with anything else at the moment because my working repository will be unplayable until I'm done.
I'm planning to do something about collapse flips as well, though. Current plans:
- cities do not flip because of being a war target if they are closer to a city of another civ the collapsing civ was also at war with
- recently conquered cities cannot become part of a rebirth (unless the controlling civ is unstable anyway)
This should take care of most annoying situations I think.
Chep
Emperor
unreliable in that I saw Mali having a Slave without getting the notification. However this seems to be pretty rare. I think it might have to do with me coming out of Anarchy causing Mali to change his attitude from "angry" to "pleased" and since he already had the slave I didn't get a notification (or it might be something else entirely, that's just an a posteriori attempt of explaining and I haven't tried to reproduce it).
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Anyway, even if you won't be able to work on the SVN for a few days, I'll start writing my
"Wish List":
- Inca should get "Peru" as core territory after city conquest (or after 1500AD)
- Japan should get northern Japanese Mainland as core (at least from 1700AD onwards) and a late food resource there (1600/1700/1800AD)
- Switch Ethiopian and Egyptian UBs
- Orang Laut (Indonesian UU) should get either full privateer features (gold for blockading, no nationality shown, can cross Ocean after Astronomy) or some of these to make it at least a little bit useful.
- Istanbul should be core for Ottomans in 1700AD-scenario (if it isn't already fixed)
- Mongol core should be smaller
- change tech-cost-population-coupling:
- allow for a more realistic spreading of religion in the new world
- make civs trade techs with you when they're friendly
- increase the spypoint-cost to switch another civs religion (possible civics as well)
- change the Indonesian UP. My suggestion would be: "gains 2 happiness from running city states and maritime supremacy (or whatever it's called) and no additional cost for number of cities" (for the city states civic)
- lower gold income from Silk Route
- make the Trading Company-corporation available to other civs than the Europeans as well.
- "fix" the Porcelain Tower
- slow the Ottoman-tech-speed at the end of the Renaissance Era
- increase Congos core a bit
(tbc)
edit: I realized this would be better suited for the "suggestions"-thread, so if you want, feel free to move this post there, Leoreth
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Anyway, even if you won't be able to work on the SVN for a few days, I'll start writing my
"Wish List":
- Inca should get "Peru" as core territory after city conquest (or after 1500AD)
Spoiler :
- Japan should get northern Japanese Mainland as core (at least from 1700AD onwards) and a late food resource there (1600/1700/1800AD)
Spoiler :
- Switch Ethiopian and Egyptian UBs
Spoiler :
- Orang Laut (Indonesian UU) should get either full privateer features (gold for blockading, no nationality shown, can cross Ocean after Astronomy) or some of these to make it at least a little bit useful.
Spoiler :
- Istanbul should be core for Ottomans in 1700AD-scenario (if it isn't already fixed)
- Mongol core should be smaller
Spoiler :
- change tech-cost-population-coupling:
Spoiler :
- allow for a more realistic spreading of religion in the new world
Spoiler :
- make civs trade techs with you when they're friendly
Spoiler :
- increase the spypoint-cost to switch another civs religion (possible civics as well)
Spoiler :
- change the Indonesian UP. My suggestion would be: "gains 2 happiness from running city states and maritime supremacy (or whatever it's called) and no additional cost for number of cities" (for the city states civic)
Spoiler :
- lower gold income from Silk Route
Spoiler :
- make the Trading Company-corporation available to other civs than the Europeans as well.
Spoiler :
- "fix" the Porcelain Tower
Spoiler :
- slow the Ottoman-tech-speed at the end of the Renaissance Era
Spoiler :
- increase Congos core a bit
Spoiler :
(tbc)
edit: I realized this would be better suited for the "suggestions"-thread, so if you want, feel free to move this post there, Leoreth
